Post Xbox One Two Scorpio, what should Sony do next? *spawn* (oh, and Nintendo?)

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  1. bunge

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    I think this works for Sony only if they can get to $199 for holiday 2017. If Neo is significantly less powerful than Scorpion, the PS4 would have to bottom out quickly.
     
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    The cheapest PS3 was achieved when Sony ripped HDD out of it. I can't see that happening now when 500GB is a minimum what customers expect, but maybe they can rip out BD drive and offer 14nm APU "slim" model for $199.
     
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    Even if Sony did know about Scorpio (obligatory planned well in advance note, etc, etc), Neo seems redundant. Why not go for Polaris/Zen/HBM in 2017 alongside Scorpio? Sony is the market leader, and market leaders are not often reactionary.

    Also, 2019 doesn't make sense in technology terms. What big advancement is AMD having in 2018 (console 1 year later)? Polaris/Zen/HBM was AMD's big bet years in the making (since 2012), and they'll likely be iterative again for a few years until 7nm. We are in tick-tick-tick-tock these days.

    In reality, I think both of these companies have their own agenda apart from each other and it just happens to fall into the ironic situation we have now. It does seem like XBox is in the best position here, even being a year later (as long as it's $400-450 US max).

    In terms of exclusive Scorpio, MS should allow it, but no devs will do it anyway until year 3 or later. Too small an install base is risky. So consumers won't see the true power of the system until later. With iterative consoles, I'd say this should be our expectation going forward. It's like a PC or something.
     
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    But I don't think Polaris was designed for HBM2. Not that AMD couldn't semi-custom anything MS (or Sony) wants, but if Scorpio is launching Fall 2017, wouldn't it make more sense to have a Zen+Vega+HBM2 SoC ?
     
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    That's my hope, but given the they are "only" targetting 5-6 Tflops (allegedly), Polaris with GDDR5x should suffice. I think with that kind of performance, HBM only makes sense if the power consumption savings and motherboard area reduction lead to an actual BOM reduction.

    We'll probably have a better idea once Polaris actually launches and can get actual bandwidth and performance data.
     
  6. Rikimaru

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    R&D for Zen chip would be high. AMD won't make APUs with Zen at first.
    HBM2 and GDDR5X will be still costly for consoles in 2017.
     
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    And without Zen 60FPS as the standard for console games will probably still be a pipe dream for the foreseeable future. :(
     
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    Would a Scorpio based on Zen APU be coming almost a year after desktop Zen CPU's have been release? Aren't Zen CPU's rumored to hit at the end of the year?
     
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    What's funny is the whole point of universal windows apps was supposed to be the convergence of apps between windows desktop and windows mobile. But with Microsoft practically exiting mobile it could be be that the universal platform ends up mainly used to converge gaming between Xbox and Windows desktop....

    I bet Microsoft wouldn't have predicted that...

    Edit: Although yeah if Microsoft releases a couple of Xbox TV streaming devices, universal apps will be important.
     
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    Who else is making Windows phones? With 4% market share and not even Ms making handsets, how is it supposed to grow? Personally I believed in the vision until getting a Win10 tablet, and now I've no interest in a Windows mobile ecosystem. If a techie like me isn't interested, how is MS going to penetrate the mainstream market, when not providing their own handset (and not really providing software because the app store isn't appealing to devs)?
     
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    Their mobile platform is definitely threatened, or at the very least... has a hard road ahead.

    I guess yea their only Windows Mobile area is with the low-powered tablets. The Surface from MS is basically regular laptop/desktop Windows I guess?
     
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    As always you're being a bit disingenuous. W10 Mobile Devices vs Blackberry Devices.

    Back on topic.

    http://venturebeat.com/2016/04/03/m...il-spencer-on-openness-hololens-and-xbox-1-5/

    Figured the UWA parts were interesting.

    Tommy McClain
     
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    Check my links. There are other manufacturers. MS might not be making any handsets at this moment, but doesn't mean they won't in the future.

    Tommy McClain
     
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    Maybe its just me, but this year E3 can not happen soon enough. Hoping for some actual information on these various beast consoles and the revised models.

    I think I'm all speculationed out on who should do what and when.
     
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    And there's a good chance the only thing you'll get is an xbox one slim

    And a TLG teaser.
     
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    Well I hope it includes news about refined controller (and a streaming stick). I do need a new controller, but been holding off due to rumors.
     
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    Neo information might wait until October though, I think Sony has some other conference in Fall period.

    E3 may be for PS VR only on Sony side. I'm also hoping we get lots Neo/Scorpio information, but it's possible we get very little information on one or both. Hopefully more though. I guess it also depends just how far these things are from release... the longer we are from release, the less they will want to reveal for sure.

    I'm even kind of wondering maybe Scorpio is ~2 years from release. Maybe they want to completely restart a new generation with 6 tflops in November 2018? My guess is such a machine is at a better consumer price point by then too, say even $400.
     
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    All those reboots of Windows Phone hasn't helped.
     
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