Porsche calls Nissan cheaters!
- Thread starter Cheezdoodles
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Oh snap yo!
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Anyways on topic, yeah, Porsche knows that Nissan targetted their performance in making the Nissan GTR so now they act surprised, it took them too long in my book.
Clarkson is joking most of the time, most people know now to take him seriously.
You know, I see this so often from elitists like yourself. It's quite sad really.
I have friends that own expensive "super cars" as they rent them for affluent people to use when they are in town. I've driven most of these cars myself, first hand for special occasions with my wife as my friends are nice people. I also see just how often all of them are at the dealer getting things repaired or serviced. Some of them are rather nice, most I haven't been impressed with performance wise. Still, I'd worry about any of them if I had to drive it cross country at anything other than a cruise control pace on the interstate.
Now, I happen to own a 1997 Supra Turbo 6spd. It has all stock parts with the exception of an upgraded turbo (this is the only changed part). This car puts out very near 650bhp, has a 70-0 braking distance of 149ft (stock figure, compare that to an Enzo which is 151ft) and pulls 0.93g cornering (not the best, but it IS 10 years old...) It can reach just over 200mph if you give it the room (silver state classic runs). I have owned this car since 1999 and it has yet to have anything ever done to it besides an oil change and tires. The "big wing", you so acutely point out, was put there by Toyota engineers to generate the required down force at high speeds to keep the car stable. I forget the exact down force figures, but it's not a cosmetic part. I seem to remember the Enzo having an even larger wing actually. I drive the Supra hard and it's certainly not a dyno queen.
You can't even speak of reliability when compared to the over priced exotics you are swooning over. There is flat out, no comparison...
Not to sound condescending or anything, but after reading tongue's post it's obvious that he's an armchair racer...he can hold any opinion he wants. I know personally some of the hardcore car tuners in LA (from shelbys and vettes to civics and supras), and most of them wouldn't ever bother to even reply to a post like that. You're speaking in reality and he's speaking in car games kinda thing. Your supra can do some damn impressive things with a stock bottom end, so I hear.
Reminded me of this nerdy guy I knew....I was talking to him one day, excitedly telling him about my 'new' $800 motorcycle, and how it could do 0-60 in 3.7 seconds, stock. He quickly pointed out that an Enzo will do it a bit faster.....OOOOOOOOOOOk. :laugh:
There is no such thing as "german engineering", or "italian engineering" or whatever - the parts in today's cars come from all over the world. Ferrari usually uses german gerboxes and engine parts, Lamborgini is using Audi stuff, while on the other side Germans use Brembo brakes and so on. All globalized nowadays.
tongue_of_colicab
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Im not a armchair racer. I'm a leg powerd bike racer. But whatever. Everything mechanic I know needs to be serviced. Airplanes need to, boats need to, big ocean boats need to, motorcycles need to, every car in the world I know of needs to be serviced and parts replaced. But noooo. The supra, even if you tune it will never need any service done to it. Fuck me but I think your nose is so long that the rainforrest should be saved by now. Why do other toyota cars need to be serviced than? why do others cars need to be serviced? if Toyota could do it 10 years ago surely somebody should have noticed that and used in on their own cars? I mean, sounds like some pretty damn good marketing: Our car never needs to be serviced. That'd pretty much guarantee a whole lot of sales. But nobody does that, gee makes me wonder why...
Toyota (and various other Japanese cars) usually finish around the top end of the reliability surveys here in the UK. Mercedes, BMW, Audi are usually well down the reliability table. Not sure about the Supercars (perhaps there aren't enough of them entered in the survey?) but the Boxster finishes at 100 in this list:
http://www.reliabilityindex.co.uk/tophundred.html?apc=3128339010848601
http://www.reliabilityindex.co.uk/tophundred.html?apc=3128339010848601
No one is stating anything is indestructible here. It's a simple fact that myself and many other Japanese car owners have personal experiences with these vehicles where they do not require anything other than the standard oil change, tires, brake pads, etc. type parts. No transmission failures, no engine problems, things of that nature for very very long periods of time. 200,000 to 300,000 miles are not uncommon.
This is what the Italian cars all lack, reliability. It's just also a simple fact that in some cases the Japanese cars also out perform the more expensive Italian designs as well.
This, for some reason, is not accepted by certain types of people. It's beyond me why. I don't care WHO makes the car. Every car stands for itself in terms of performance and reliability. If Hyundai could make a car that had better performance and was more reliable than any car made then It would be worthy of praise and recognition. Hyundai doesn't, of course, but hopefully the point is obvious.
This is what the Italian cars all lack, reliability. It's just also a simple fact that in some cases the Japanese cars also out perform the more expensive Italian designs as well.
This, for some reason, is not accepted by certain types of people. It's beyond me why. I don't care WHO makes the car. Every car stands for itself in terms of performance and reliability. If Hyundai could make a car that had better performance and was more reliable than any car made then It would be worthy of praise and recognition. Hyundai doesn't, of course, but hopefully the point is obvious.
tongue_of_colicab
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He himself said that in 10 years time driving it everyday @ 650hp and all he had to do in change oil. Thats just bull. There is now way for example your brakes will last for almost half a million Km (300.000 miles) Certainly not if you are using all the power and he said he does. And how about the engine belt or whatever its called in english? that wont last so long, certainly not in such a powerfull car.
Seriously, find me a online car sale selling any japanese car for any price that has the milage you say it has withouth any maintance done to things like the engine. If you find it I will buy it and drive it the rest of my life (ofcourse, on the cheap as it wont need any maintance).
Seriously, find me a online car sale selling any japanese car for any price that has the milage you say it has withouth any maintance done to things like the engine. If you find it I will buy it and drive it the rest of my life (ofcourse, on the cheap as it wont need any maintance).
Toyota definitely rates high in reliability, but the difference isn't all that big. And comparing the reliability of a camry or a yaris to a performance automobile is laughable at best. Also slapping a few hundred horsepower onto a production vehicle is probably not going to improve reliability.
Oil change to me is a lazy mans way of saying "service" which varies depending on the age or mileage.
I'm sure he's had fuel filters, cam belts and brakes replaced, but those are parts that are supposed to be replaced. You are reading too much into it.
I have only ever had two services in 6 years as I just cannot be arsed with the hassle, I change the oil and filter myself. Nothing has ever gone wrong with my Subaru despite it having more than 80 more BHP with a simple high flow cat and engine remap and I drive it like every days a rally.
Seriously can you imagine doing that in a Ferrari/Lamborgini? My engine is probably far more stressed than that considering it's a "small" 2 litre engine pushing out about 350 bhp, no doubt kicking the arse out of just about every Ferrari/Lamborgini power per litre figures.
Ah, now for some education for those who think Supras aren't all they are cracked up to be...
As a previous owner of one I would like to think I've got some knowledge of it. The car in its stock form isn't exactly the best thing since sliced bread, but when you apply that basic BPU (basic performance upgrade) to it you get quite a bit of bang for your buck. It has an inline 6 engine and not a V6 as you will, so it allows a nice big turbo upgrade if you wish. But yeah. BPU, which really means a few new parts and a piece that will increase the boost (psi of the turbos) will net you well over 400 - 450 RWHP (rear wheel horse power) for the car and that is really less than $1500 in mods. There are numerous upgrades for the car itself and it will hands down eat many exotic cars that are/were 10 times as expensive as the Supra. It was a car I had the pleasure of dumping more than $20,000 in in parts alone and it was primarily for autocross and going to the track (not the shitty quarter mile but tracks that have multiple turns) and it was always a pleasure to drive.
As for its reliability, it was pretty damn reliable. I've had a Nissan 300ZX in my time, a Mitsu 3000GT VR4, and a Mazda RX7. The Supra, even in its modified form, was far more reliable than the other Japanese super cars of its time. Its manual transmission was a godsend and almost bullet proof up until about 600 RWHP. The tranny got upgraded when I wanted more power for the car, put a much bigger turbo in it and came out with a little over 800 RWHP for it and it didn't break down much at all. It was fine as a daily driver.
The car gets a lot of hate, and a lot of general fans who swear by it all at the same time. It was a decent car for its time and with just a few mods could compete rather well. The thing about the car is it has a monster top end and once 60 MPH or so is hit it just keeps going and going. The handling was really good once you upgraded the suspension and got tires that could actually hold the power.
I did take it to the quarter mile a few times but when launching from a stand still in the tires I had for it (they aren't slicks by any means they were meant for racing) I would reguarly get 11.5 second quarter mile times between 125 - 130 MPH.
The reliability is by far better than most sports cars I've owned and driven.
Now as for the Lamborghini. That is really expensive when it comes to repairs. The clutch needs to get replaced every year and that alone sets me back $5,000 just for the damn clutch. It's a pain in the ass to get it serviced and repaired, but to me it is money well spent.
As a previous owner of one I would like to think I've got some knowledge of it. The car in its stock form isn't exactly the best thing since sliced bread, but when you apply that basic BPU (basic performance upgrade) to it you get quite a bit of bang for your buck. It has an inline 6 engine and not a V6 as you will, so it allows a nice big turbo upgrade if you wish. But yeah. BPU, which really means a few new parts and a piece that will increase the boost (psi of the turbos) will net you well over 400 - 450 RWHP (rear wheel horse power) for the car and that is really less than $1500 in mods. There are numerous upgrades for the car itself and it will hands down eat many exotic cars that are/were 10 times as expensive as the Supra. It was a car I had the pleasure of dumping more than $20,000 in in parts alone and it was primarily for autocross and going to the track (not the shitty quarter mile but tracks that have multiple turns) and it was always a pleasure to drive.
As for its reliability, it was pretty damn reliable. I've had a Nissan 300ZX in my time, a Mitsu 3000GT VR4, and a Mazda RX7. The Supra, even in its modified form, was far more reliable than the other Japanese super cars of its time. Its manual transmission was a godsend and almost bullet proof up until about 600 RWHP. The tranny got upgraded when I wanted more power for the car, put a much bigger turbo in it and came out with a little over 800 RWHP for it and it didn't break down much at all. It was fine as a daily driver.
The car gets a lot of hate, and a lot of general fans who swear by it all at the same time. It was a decent car for its time and with just a few mods could compete rather well. The thing about the car is it has a monster top end and once 60 MPH or so is hit it just keeps going and going. The handling was really good once you upgraded the suspension and got tires that could actually hold the power.
I did take it to the quarter mile a few times but when launching from a stand still in the tires I had for it (they aren't slicks by any means they were meant for racing) I would reguarly get 11.5 second quarter mile times between 125 - 130 MPH.
The reliability is by far better than most sports cars I've owned and driven.
Now as for the Lamborghini. That is really expensive when it comes to repairs. The clutch needs to get replaced every year and that alone sets me back $5,000 just for the damn clutch. It's a pain in the ass to get it serviced and repaired, but to me it is money well spent.
Those reliability ratings are mostly bogus. First, they throw it all in together - be it a broken door handle or a blown-up engine, it gets rated just the same. And also, some manufacturers have their own towing services, so those cars never appear in any of those statistics.
Toyota and co. would still be near the top, but as such this rating is without any real value.
Toyota and co. would still be near the top, but as such this rating is without any real value.
Yup, yup, the supra gets a lot of love from the tuners I know. Personally its looks don't do it for me, but to deny its ability... love the inline 6 engine too. In fact I think I may just buy one now on Forza 2.
Nissan officially responds with ownage statement.
http://jalopnik.com/5060960/nissan-...porsche-skepticism-recommends-driving-lessons
http://jalopnik.com/5060960/nissan-...porsche-skepticism-recommends-driving-lessons
Haha!
http://jalopnik.com/5060960/nissan-...porsche-skepticism-recommends-driving-lessons
The car tard net community is collectively hoping for a Top Gear episode...
http://jalopnik.com/5060960/nissan-...porsche-skepticism-recommends-driving-lessons
The car tard net community is collectively hoping for a Top Gear episode...