Billy Idol
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That is true. But will Sony go beyond Sony hardware?
Or is this a service for PS4, PSV, Sony's TVs and Sony's smartphones and laptops only?
That is true. But will Sony go beyond Sony hardware?
Or is this a service for PS4, PSV, Sony's TVs and Sony's smartphones and laptops only?
Pretty sure iOS will be supported, and since their new TVs will run Android, I'll be very surprised if it won't ultimately work on other Android devices - i.e. everything.
They just announced PSNow for Samsung TVs....
I finally tried it. Signed up for the free 7 day trial. First I played R&C Into the Nexus and the GoW: Ascension. The both loaded fast and felt and looked just like playing on a PS3. Pretty incredible technology to be honest. The library is too small to warrant a subscription unless you really missed all those PS3 games, I have played most of the big ones. Got the trophies to show up on the Ps4 as soon as I exited, so it must do a trophy sync when you quit. I also got the normal PS3 messages about friends coming online. Screenshot via the share button did not work though. So I assume you can't do anything like making videos or streaming.
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Now they need to release it in Europe!
Do you get the same trophies as you would by playing the 'real' game? Might have been answered already but I missed it.
Yes. You are effectively signed into the remote PS3 with your PSN account just as you would be on a local one. You get trophies, have access to your cloud saves, etc.
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I think it likely they've chosen on ongoing economic model because support requires ongoing investment to maintain and improve the service. I.e you pay $15 for God of War III and never pay another cent and yet Sony have to maintain server availability and bandwidth for you for.. how long? Forever? Doesn't sound great from Sony's perspective.
What if Sony close the service in three years. Do you get refunded?
Although true, I'm surprised at how many games have a one-off payment and still do well. Guild Wars did phenomenally well as an MMO with no subscription fees, and it didn't have in-game microtransactions. It'd be very interesting to see an actual cost breakdown.
No. It'd be no different to the end of any online game, like MAG. As long as it's clearly described as a streamed service when bought, there's no need to refund people because they haven't bought anything - only rented the service.
I know what you mean but you don't "rent a service", you pay for a service or a good.
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Yeah, wrong word by me!
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I don't believe this is the case in the EU. You buy it, you own it and have statutory rights - which you can not surrender by law. Even if you agree to give up those rights, you still have them. They're statutory. So you are entitled to a refund when it ceases to work. There are have a been a number of changes to digital stores in the EU recently. Steam and iTMS will refund no questions asked now.
About time!
That's if it's sold. But if it's not sold, then you don't own it. I repeat, MAG no longer works because the online component was deactivated, but no-one's entitled to a refund. Steam also don't refund 'no questions asked'. You have to hassle them, as their first reply is "our T&C's state no refunds." Only under pressure will they rescind. I also, from a quick Google, don't see any law allowing for refunds of years old games that stop working. That'd actually be an extreme warranty. One or two years is as much as one is entitled to from hardware, by and large, so not sure that a game should be longer.
Even if GOW was sold for $15 to own on the store, when the servers are switched off, the game dies. And if EU law would change that at some point, just supply it as a service. If sold as a streamed game, like a streamed movie, you don't ever own it. Provide rental options, $4 for one evening, $10 for a month, $15 for unlimited access (while the service still runs).
Even if GOW was sold for $15 to own on the store, when the servers are switched off, the game dies. And if EU law would change that at some point, just supply it as a service. If sold as a streamed game, like a streamed movie, you don't ever own it. Provide rental options, $4 for one evening, $10 for a month, $15 for unlimited access (while the service still runs).
To be precise you are entitled to a refund or a monetary compensation, whenever a/the service doesn't offer you what it promised or if the service is suspended before the agreed time.
Example: if Sony sells you 10 months of PS Now but instead shut the servers after 2 months then you should be entailed to a refund..unless they did so becsue they went bankrupt.
Now we are not yet to the point where games are a service nor the law sees games as a service.
No to mention that when it comes to software the law is very behind times to say the least.
Example: if Sony sells you 10 months of PS Now but instead shut the servers after 2 months then you should be entailed to a refund..unless they did so becsue they went bankrupt.
Now we are not yet to the point where games are a service nor the law sees games as a service.
No to mention that when it comes to software the law is very behind times to say the least.
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If streaming video, which is what PS Now is, there's clearly precedent. The fact has a remote control to the video with constant input doesn't really make it anything other than a streaming video service. 
Seeing Sony's track record with server issues, hacking attacks and general cluelessness, this will be interesting to follow.
@ShiftyGeezer
Pay X a month to play game, as you rightfully point out, is the same as "pay X a month to watch Sky" but when you buy Destiny on PS4 you don't pay for a service, you pay for a intangible good, a piece of software/license, which is yours to use (not to sell) for all you natural life as log as you keep it or the PS4 works.
There is big difference.
Pay X a month to play game, as you rightfully point out, is the same as "pay X a month to watch Sky" but when you buy Destiny on PS4 you don't pay for a service, you pay for a intangible good, a piece of software/license, which is yours to use (not to sell) for all you natural life as log as you keep it or the PS4 works.
There is big difference.
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I know there's a difference and made a point of it (!). That difference would allow Sony to circumvent ownership rights when 'selling' PSNow games, by changing the nature of the service from digital retailer to streamed service provider. That way, if they wanted, they could outright sell a title as per DrJay24's suggestion. That said, I don't think it's in Sony's interests, both for the point DSoup raised about ongoing costs, and also the fact that subscriptions are far more stable and everyone's (trying to) moving towards them. Even big name software that sold for buckets (Photoshop, Office) have moved to subscription models.
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