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I'm speculating an internal motherboard revision of the slim, maybe an even cheaper blu-ray drive, maybe even 45nm RSX if they can manage it, to reduce costs, so they can include the motion controller with the $299 unit, and sell a "core" unit for $249 (or less) without motion control, and they couldn't hope to make those changes in time for Spring yet, but possibly for Fall. Maybe even the elusive rear USB port (I just use a 7 port hub and tuck the cable to the rear)

There was a rumor from an Asian source early last year that Sony will release another SKU this year (i.e., after Slim). We shall see.
 
Looking forward to E3 and see what MS has to offer for Natal. E3 will be make or break for me as to if I pick it up in Fall.

Yeah, can't wait to see what both Sony and MS show at E3. But in my case, if Natal can hook up with Win7, I'm buying a unit regardless what is shown.

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SB
 
IMHO, there is no delay. I don't think Sony realy intended to ship the controller this spring, and only used that date for PR during E3.

There has definitely been a delay, multiple delays in fact. Sony's motion controller and accompanying software have been in the works for many years, they just haven't been able to get the pieces together to launch it.
 
Another cool concept: http://sifteo.com/ (Click on the TED demo video)
Certainly cool, but I could only see them selling at high margins for one holiday season (if it gets hyped, toys are a finnicky market). It's a bit too gimmicky.

You really need to be able to make them dirt cheap, make them frameless (so they can be combined into larger blocks with more resolution) and give them absolute position detection capabilities (RF triangulation) also they are just begging for touch (simple tap sensitivity would be enough).
 
Yes, but I am more intrigued by the story creation game play ! ^_^

The Sony Data Tiles has a similar idea.

EDIT: I don't necessarily think each tile must be one computer. It can simply be a sensor. Also, there may be other ways to realize the story creation game.
 
You might as well wait for Halo 3 or Fable 2 to be released for PC.
How do you know that they'll even be released on PC? Halo and Fable didn't do too well on PC's before, the PC audience is just different than that. I played Halo on PC, and my reaction was what's the big deal compared to Battlefield 1942 (which had vehicles), RTCW and ET I was playing at the time. Halo's brilliance was making shooters accessible on consoles, it didn't speak to the PC gaming audience much.

Therefore I wouldn't hold my breath for it being released on PC, not to mention it'd really kill the biggest rationale besides money to go with a 360 instead of a PC.
 
Therefore I wouldn't hold my breath for it being released on PC, not to mention it'd really kill the biggest rationale besides money to go with a 360 instead of a PC.

No the biggest rationale for a 360 instead of PC would be the games that use Natal. While Natal will be a compelling gimmick on its own, it's not going to move any hardware without a reason for people to want Natal.

The rational for Win7 is just to increase the developement pool of Natal as well as to get more penetration of Natal itself into households and get more people interested in motion controls. While a small niche market, I'm sure there are plenty of HTPC owners like myself that would be more than happy to spend 250-400 USD for a Natal unit for Win7 if the motion controls worked well. It's certainly has more interesting possibilities than spending the same amount of money for a remote (299 USD for my last remote).

Regards,
SB
 
No the biggest rationale for a 360 instead of PC would be the games that use Natal. While Natal will be a compelling gimmick on its own, it's not going to move any hardware without a reason for people to want Natal.

The rational for Win7 is just to increase the developement pool of Natal as well as to get more penetration of Natal itself into households and get more people interested in motion controls. While a small niche market, I'm sure there are plenty of HTPC owners like myself that would be more than happy to spend 250-400 USD for a Natal unit for Win7 if the motion controls worked well. It's certainly has more interesting possibilities than spending the same amount of money for a remote (299 USD for my last remote).

Regards,
SB

But they will have standalone Natal units that they'll sell at profit for existing 360 owners. They must, because not many people will get a second 360 just for Natal, and there's always ebay for people who get a 360 and not interested in motion gaming. Knowing MS, they'd have Natal drivers for Win 7 at l launch though as well, so you'd also be able to use it with your PC.
 
Camille Guermonprez, CEO of Arkedo Studio, a french video gaming company, has published some pics of 2 finger-heroes, a game that was going to be released for Natal and has apparently been canceled due to different reasons.

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http://www.joystiq.com/2010/01/20/arkedos-canceled-natal-game-2-finger-heroes

Arkedo Studio, the French developer responsible for the DS's Big Bang Mini and Nervous Brickdown, as well as recent Xbox Live Indie Games like the stylish 03 Pixel, has been thinking about Project Natal. And sadly for us, it decided to think again before going through with its proposed game idea, 2-Finger Heroes.

CEO Camille Guermonprez posted mocked-up screenshots and design plans for the game on NeoGAF, revealing a brawler controlled by players' fingers acting as the protagonists' legs. Occasionally, the game would switch over to segments controlled by hand motions or crossed arms, and award powerups for hand gestures at certain segments (with a penalty for flipping the screen off!)

Why isn't Arkedo working on this game right now? Issues with recognition of minute finger movements -- and localization concerns. "Yup, what can be understood as the victory sign in France, could be a terrible insult in the UK, for instance," Guermonprez said. "And we are not even talking about Italian. Oh, the possibilities..."
His post on Neogaf:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=19376188&postcount=200
 
Camille Guermonprez, CEO of Arkedo Studio, a french video gaming company, has published some pics of 2 finger-heroes, a game that was going to be released for Natal and has apparently been canceled due to different reasons.

Mod : You don't need to quote the whole thing, pictures and all, for a one-line resopnse! ;)
Oh man I d love to play that :)

edit: Sorry about that ;)
 
Oooo. At least one dev was trying something new. Presumably you'd need to move the Natal nearer to you, or sit nearer the TV, to get the tracking resolution for the fingers. I wonder too if it'd work as an interface. Feels awkward to me, and I imagine players moving their fingers to do stuff it can't readily do. That is, casuals don't want to learn new motions/'motion control'. In this case, I guess you finger-walk on the spot and lift your fingers to jump, but I can envisage most casuals trying to move their fingers to where they want to go. They'll need to learn not to. And if you do have that degree of natural direct control, you have an odd sort of game.

Still, nice to see out of the box thinking, and some of these whacked-out ideas are going to work.
 
:cool:

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1302064&postcount=500

If the gestures can be tracked accurately and quickly, I am actually thinking about controlling 2 players at the same time in FIFA using my left and right hands. Just do a running man gesture on both hands, and have them pass a virtual ball between the 2 hands. I think I can do banana kick or bicycle kick using the fingers too (simulate leg movement).


EDIT: Sh*t and the response is:
If this ever happens I will kill again. :devilish:
 
The response from the Arkedo guys about the Natal game was in reference to me finding & posting a comment they made about doing a Natal project in an interview last fall. They just finished 03 Pixel! on XBLIG & said they got to do some great project for somebody that they had dreamed of working with. I took that to mean the Natal project. That's when they came in & said that wasn't the case since the Natal project never got accepted by MS long ago. That's why they went back to do the Arkedo Series on XBLIG. They should be getting back to their next in the series: 04 Slash! in a few days since the secret project is now done. As for 2-Finger Heroes, looks like it might live on as XBLIG game or part of a souped up collection of their Arkedo Series made for XBLA or PSN. Can't wait. Love their work.

Tommy McClain
 
Microsoft already has the Arc mouse and keyboard, though I think a mouse and a console controller are far enough that there would be any marketing overlap.
 
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