Panajev2001a
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Interesting piece of new.....from [urlhttp://the-magicbox.com/gaming.htm]The Magic Box[/url]
Toshiba mentioned that they have received financial support from Sony to build a new chip factory in south of Japan. The new factory will manufacture PlayStation 3 processor Cell, as well as other processors.
Toshiba mentioned that they have received financial support from Sony to build a new chip factory in south of Japan. The new factory will manufacture PlayStation 3 processor Cell, as well as other processors.
Well i was out at the movies with my little sis . But catching up on this thread i'd just like to say we can belive anything we want but its just that till sony announces the offical specs. I do feel some people are on crack or something though feeling it will far surpass 1 tflop and be priced at 300 or so.
The 1tflop figure is based on Kutaragi promising that PS3 will 1000X as powerful as PS2. The flops for EE is 6.2Gflops, so the performance of PS3 should be 6.2Tflops, not 1Tflops. So you see, Pana, Paul, the actual performance might be even greater than the example given in the patent. That's what all those Cell chips in the patents were, examples of possible configurations, NOT actual final specifications for Cell chips.
Even Itanium 2 doesn't come close to 6.2Tflops, so I wonder how Intel will be able to design a Xbox2 CPU that is competitive with PS3's CPU performance and costwise.
Even Itanium 2 doesn't come close to 6.2Tflops, so I wonder how Intel will be able to design a Xbox2 CPU that is competitive with PS3's CPU performance and costwise.
This latest rumor wouldn't suprise me one bit. I always though sony seemed a little ambitious.
...and all this talk abbout sony working with Nvidia doesn't make any sense to me. i mean it's possible but when it came down to it, MS would just make the sony consle more expensive to manufacture, just like the xbox. And nvidia would ask for what they wanted or they wouldn't do it, just like what they'd do with microsoft. Not only that, but sony wouldn't own the chip, if that was even a option, MS would have jumped all over it.
...and all this talk abbout sony working with Nvidia doesn't make any sense to me. i mean it's possible but when it came down to it, MS would just make the sony consle more expensive to manufacture, just like the xbox. And nvidia would ask for what they wanted or they wouldn't do it, just like what they'd do with microsoft. Not only that, but sony wouldn't own the chip, if that was even a option, MS would have jumped all over it.
"The 1tflop figure is based on Kutaragi promising that PS3 will 1000X as powerful as PS2. The flops for EE is 6.2Gflops, so the performance of PS3 should be 6.2Tflops, not 1Tflops. So you see,"
You DONT multiply everything by 1000X. 1000X means the total power will be that great with everything put together, the cpu + rasterizer + greater efficiancy will all together do it.
You DONT multiply everything by 1000X. 1000X means the total power will be that great with everything put together, the cpu + rasterizer + greater efficiancy will all together do it.
Panajev2001a
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1,000x doesn't mean 1,000x the FP power... 1 TFLOPS as theoretical max is more than enough of an achieved goal for Cell... 6.2 TFLOPS... nah, that IS a pipe-dream...
We talked about a REYES-like renderer... using lots of micro-polygons, displacement mapping, motion blur and anti-aliasing, rendering in 720p, using non trivial shaders ( moderatly long ones ), high resolution textures ( and also procedural ones ), etc...
If you ported that renderer and that scene that on PlayStation 3 ( with also the Physics, A.I., etc... ) runs at ~30 fps I doubt you would see it run faster than 0.03 fps or something like this
PlayStation 3 using the patent Broadband Engine would not only have lots of FP power, but also lots of Integer processing power as well ( 1 Tera OPS ) and much more bandwidth and Local Memory...
We have e-DRAM and a 1,024 bits bus to it and connecting all the APUs in each PE ( PE bus is 1,024 bits wide ), 4 MB of total Local Storage ( 128 KB of Local Storage, realized in SRAM, in each APU.. this is where the execution of code happens ) and in each APU we have thirty-two 128 bits registers...
We haven't just increased the FLOPS and OPS rating of the machine, we added more of those features which helps keep the efficiency high...
We talked about a REYES-like renderer... using lots of micro-polygons, displacement mapping, motion blur and anti-aliasing, rendering in 720p, using non trivial shaders ( moderatly long ones ), high resolution textures ( and also procedural ones ), etc...
If you ported that renderer and that scene that on PlayStation 3 ( with also the Physics, A.I., etc... ) runs at ~30 fps I doubt you would see it run faster than 0.03 fps or something like this
PlayStation 3 using the patent Broadband Engine would not only have lots of FP power, but also lots of Integer processing power as well ( 1 Tera OPS ) and much more bandwidth and Local Memory...
We have e-DRAM and a 1,024 bits bus to it and connecting all the APUs in each PE ( PE bus is 1,024 bits wide ), 4 MB of total Local Storage ( 128 KB of Local Storage, realized in SRAM, in each APU.. this is where the execution of code happens ) and in each APU we have thirty-two 128 bits registers...
We haven't just increased the FLOPS and OPS rating of the machine, we added more of those features which helps keep the efficiency high...
zidane1strife
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Yes, that efficiency might add to the perf difference between it and the EE... What is the real world performance of the EE? The specs are 6.2Tflops, but the real world number is likely lower...
Anyway last time sony said 100x perf... and they showed 100x perf in one of the specs, accompanied by improvements in all others.... 350K low rez no effects poly peak for psone.... 75M raw GS for ps2....
100K ingame with barely any effects psone.... 10-30M+ for ps2 with lots of effects and higher rez...
So indeed, a 100X jump was done on one of the specs, and probably others too... the EE is probably 100x+, the vram bandwith, etc...
Evil_Cloud
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Shocking news!
Online news sites are reporting that the spring 2003 issue of Electronic Design Chain, an electronics trade magazine, features PlayStation creator Ken Kutaragi on the cover, and also contains very surprising news about the Playstation 3.
According to the reports, Kutaragi mentions that final production of the "Cell" chip, originally thought to be used in the PlayStation 3, may not be ready until 2007. He also confirms that the CPU in the PlayStation 3 will in fact not be the Cell processor, contrary to earlier reports.
With a targeted PlayStation 3 launch in 2005/2006, delayed production of the Cell processor may have caused Sony to find a different solution for their next-generation console.
IGN
Online news sites are reporting that the spring 2003 issue of Electronic Design Chain, an electronics trade magazine, features PlayStation creator Ken Kutaragi on the cover, and also contains very surprising news about the Playstation 3.
According to the reports, Kutaragi mentions that final production of the "Cell" chip, originally thought to be used in the PlayStation 3, may not be ready until 2007. He also confirms that the CPU in the PlayStation 3 will in fact not be the Cell processor, contrary to earlier reports.
With a targeted PlayStation 3 launch in 2005/2006, delayed production of the Cell processor may have caused Sony to find a different solution for their next-generation console.
IGN
Electronic Design Chain's Cell article is online at
http://www.designchain.com/coverstory.asp?issue=spring03
http://www.designchain.com/coverstory.asp?issue=spring03
Evil_Cloud
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What kind of CPU is PS3 going to use then?
None of this is even official news and already you have anti Sony fanboys jumping on it across websites.
There have been sony people saying Cell will be used, and those who say it will not. Who do you belive?
Oh and Sony and toshiba are building the PS3 chip factory.
http://the-magicbox.com
There have been sony people saying Cell will be used, and those who say it will not. Who do you belive?
Oh and Sony and toshiba are building the PS3 chip factory.
http://the-magicbox.com
Sony may fall back to Phase 3.
The Phase 3 workstation, scheduled to appear around 2005-2006, will have the Emotion Engine 3 and Graphic Synthesizer 3, which will have drastically changed architectures. As a result, the workstation will have 1,000 times performance of the development tool workstation, and will handle 4,000 x 2,000-pixel pictures at 24-to-120p. At this stage, Playstation3 will be taking a shape, Sony said.
http://www.eetimes.com/story/OEG19991006S0040
The Phase 3 workstation, scheduled to appear around 2005-2006, will have the Emotion Engine 3 and Graphic Synthesizer 3, which will have drastically changed architectures. As a result, the workstation will have 1,000 times performance of the development tool workstation, and will handle 4,000 x 2,000-pixel pictures at 24-to-120p. At this stage, Playstation3 will be taking a shape, Sony said.
http://www.eetimes.com/story/OEG19991006S0040
Panajev2001a
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Paul,
that article is from 1999 and the Phase 1-3 workstation line was halted and we haven't even seen the EE2 and GS2... the GS presented at the ISSC Conference in 2001 was not the GS2, but a transition between GS 1 and GS 2... it was the GS 1.5 basically...
I do not think Sony has THAT much R&D to work in parallel with Cell and with another technology that still allows them to reach their performance goal or even close to it...
that article is from 1999 and the Phase 1-3 workstation line was halted and we haven't even seen the EE2 and GS2... the GS presented at the ISSC Conference in 2001 was not the GS2, but a transition between GS 1 and GS 2... it was the GS 1.5 basically...
I do not think Sony has THAT much R&D to work in parallel with Cell and with another technology that still allows them to reach their performance goal or even close to it...
DeathKnight
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Official? How can you get more official than Ken himself (mind you: recently) stating that Cell will not be used in PS3, and that Cell itself may not be ready for use until 2007?
Panajev2001a
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DeathKnight said:
Those were not Kutaragi's own words...
I do not see a "Kutaragi confessed/stated" thingy...
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