nvidia:rsx complete.

[London Geezer]

Yeah....
...thinking of it as "just a tweaked G70" (wtf "just"?!) gives a negative connotation that you wouldn't get if you thought..."even better than a G70{!}" - viewed like this its not only plausible its exceptional really, IMO.

That is to assume it is tweaked at all, which we don't know!

Oh there is obviously some tweaky action going on. They just physically can't put a G70 in there (with FlexIO) and hope it works.

 

[therealskywolf]

The design has been complete for months. But only now they have come around with yelds problems.

 

[dukmahsik]

many of you want it to be based on something more than G70, but you forget that PS3 already costs quite a bit to make. It doesn't make sense to add in a G80 derivitve card due to cost reasons AND G70 is QUITE powerful enough.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

The design has been complete for months.

Are you sure of that? I thought it wasn't finalised until December time. Okay, literally that is months, all two of them. Unless you have sources saying otherwise, RSX's completion is fairly recent and so mentioned in this conference call.

 

[Titanio]

You'd need to I guess differentiate between completion of design - tapeout - and first production silicon. I'm not sure when RSX taped out, but evidently the first production silicon was only available recently.

 

[_xxx_]

don't get me wrong, sure the RSX shares a lot of G7x technology, but I don't see it "just a tweaked G70"...only that....however let's wait and see....it's only my opinion...

If nVidia people say it's a tweaked G70, I have no reason to doubt that. But what do I know...

 

[Shifty Geezer]

If nVidia people say it's a tweaked G70, I have no reason to doubt that. But what do I know...

Unfortunately 'tweaked' has any number of connotations. Whether its tweaked with addition of FlexIO, or tweaked with the addition of a couple of SPEs, it's still tweaked!

 

[one]

That's probably what the BDA camp is wishing, hoping...

http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6308373.html

Although Fox is not a member of AACS, the decision to adopt BD+ split the consortium, which includes members from both camps.

Microsoft and Intel were concerned that the operation of BD+, which is not under the jurisdiction of AACS-LA, could interfere with consumers’ ability to view their high-def discs over a home network.

Blu-ray companies have strongly disputed those claims, accusing Microsoft of concocting the issue in order to delay completion of the Blu-ray format specs.

Microsoft has emerged as a strong backer of HD DVD and is locked in a fierce battle with Blu-ray developer Sony for dominance of the next-generation videogame market.

Anyway the agreement on AACS, one of the last hurdles of PS3, has been reached...
Now Cell is ready, RSX is ready, and BD is ready. What about games?

 

[_xxx_]

Anyway the agreement on AACS, one of the last hurdles of PS3, has been reached...
Now Cell is ready, RSX is ready, and BD is ready. What about games?

I'd rather ask, what about the OS, API, online stuff, actually ANY software stuff on the system side of things? No OS/API == no games

 

[scooby_dooby]

Unfortunately 'tweaked' has any number of connotations. Whether its tweaked with addition of FlexIO, or tweaked with the addition of a couple of SPEs, it's still tweaked!

Didn't a dev (Barbarian?) already state RSX is nothing exotic? You'd think that would kind of settle it right there.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Didn't a dev (Barbarian?) already state RSX is nothing exotic? You'd think that would kind of settle it right there.

Yes he did, and I'm not expecting anything majorly differenting from the G70 in architecture and features. I'm just pointing out the nVidia quote 'tweaked' isn't useful for clarifying the situation. With DevStations RSX audio seminar, we know there's likely more to RSX than just G70, so the 'just a G70 with flexIO' doesn't seem very valid either. Perhaps we should consider it G70a, so those who want a bigger number don't need to reach out to G80, and those who want to think RSX is nothing more than G70 with FlexIO at 90nm don't feel the tech is radically different?

 

[dukmahsik]

when do we get some more info!

 

[London Geezer]

Didn't a dev (Barbarian?) already state RSX is nothing exotic? You'd think that would kind of settle it right there.

Nothing exotic, obviously because it IS a G70, whether it's modified or not. The question here is how modified it is and how. I really don't think any SPE design made it in there, like we keep hearing around here, and that would make the chip kinda exotic.
A modified G70 (say more or less pipes in there, more or less units, modified HDR and AA units, whatever they do with it, if they do anything) will be a non-exotic chip simply because it doesn't stray from the PC GPU sister, it just has more or less *stuff* than it.

 

[ROG27]

Nothing exotic, obviously because it IS a G70, whether it's modified or not. The question here is how modified it is and how. I really don't think any SPE design made it in there, like we keep hearing around here, and that would make the chip kinda exotic.
A modified G70 (say more or less pipes in there, more or less units, modified HDR and AA units, whatever they do with it, if they do anything) will be a non-exotic chip simply because it doesn't stray from the PC GPU sister, it just has more or less *stuff* than it.

That being said...do you believe RSX is more of a G7x based multimedia chip (integrated sound and video), rather than only a gpu?

 

[London Geezer]

That being said...do you believe RSX is more of a G7x based multimedia chip (integrated sound and video), rather than only a gpu?

What i believe is of little importance, personally there is nothing to believe, and to be perfectly honest i really care so little about what it ultimately is, i can hardly comment. My post was more of a logical post in context of the discussion. I'll love my PS3 whether the GPU is exotic, tropical, antarctic or venusian.

Having said that, logically I do think that making RSX deal with sound is a bit silly, when Cell is there to take care of it without breaking a sweat.

 

[AbbA]

Imho Rsx has 10VS and 28PS.

 

[pc999]

They never said ~300M they said >300M.

With the current 11nm process,they could already fit >300M.I see no problem with somewhere near the 400M mark when they make 90nm transition.I would also expect it to consume less power as well.

They could go for ~450M and highr speeds, but also equal price, or they can put it at ~66% of the price and taking in account that a g70 is already a great chip (specially if the demos will be real time) what do you think they would chosse?

 

[Shifty Geezer]

I'll love my PS3 whether the GPU is exotic, tropical, antarctic or venusian.

With tech from Area 51!

 

[Ben-Nice]

If they started working on the RSX over a year before they started working on Xenos and just finished. How could it be so much worse an "unrefined" as some people seem to think compared to the Xenos?

 

[ROG27]

If they started working on the RSX over a year before they started working on Xenos and just finished. How could it be so much worse an "unrefined" as some people seem to think compared to the Xenos?

I agree with you on that point...and the fact that there must have been a team of Sony and NVidia engineers backwards engineering and performance testing the C1 chip in the XBOX360, and with the threat of Sony Ninjas' blade looming over their heads, making sure the RSX is more capable.