ATI Quarterly Earnings Press Release

Geo

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R&D costs up for new products --expecting revenue to really take off in their 4th quarter (which is June thru August --gee, I wonder why? :D).

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Press Release
ATI Reports Second Quarter Results
Revenues increase 31% to $608 million

MARKHAM, Ontario--(BUSINESS WIRE)--March 24, 2005-- ATI Technologies Inc. (TSX:ATY) (NASDAQ:ATYT) today announced a 31% increase in revenues and a 20% improvement in net income for the second quarter of fiscal 2005 as compared to the same quarter last year.

Quarterly revenues(1) grew $145 million to $608 million relative to the second quarter of fiscal 2004 as a result of strong sales in both the personal computer (PC) and digital consumer segments. Gross margin percentage was 34.2%. For the second quarter, net income and net income per share were $57 million and $0.22, respectively. Stock-based compensation costs(2) in the second quarter of fiscal 2005 totaled $10.3 million. Net income and net income per share excluding these costs and related taxes would have been $66 million and $0.25, respectively, as compared with $50 million or $0.20 in the second quarter of fiscal 2004.

"In addition to posting solid year-over-year results, ATI performed well in a seasonally down quarter," said David Orton, ATI's Chief Executive Officer. "Strong sales of discrete PC products helped to offset the anticipated seasonal weakness in our digital consumer business, which we expect will rebound nicely in the second half. With the best solutions for visual applications in the PC and digital consumer markets, we're excited about our prospects for the rest of 2005 and beyond. The share repurchase plan announced separately today reflects the confidence of the board and management team in ATI's long-term growth potential."

(1) All dollar amounts are in U.S. dollars unless otherwise noted. All per share amounts are stated on a diluted basis unless otherwise noted. ATI Technologies Inc. reports under Canadian generally accepted accounting principles (GAAP).

(2) In accordance with Canadian GAAP, beginning with the first quarter of fiscal 2005, ATI began expensing compensation costs associated with stock options granted to employees after September 1, 2002. Total stock-based compensation includes the costs associated with stock options, restricted share units and deferred share units.


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Three months ended Feb. 28, 2005
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Excluding Stock-Based Including Stock-based
Compensation Costs Compensation Costs (GAAP)
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Net income $66.2 million $57.2 million
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Net income per share $0.25 $0.22
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Outlook

For the third quarter, we anticipate a slight increase in our consumer business and a seasonal decline in our PC business, which is expected to result in revenues of $560 to $600 million. Gross margin percentage is expected to remain approximately the same as the second quarter. Operating expenses, excluding stock-based compensation costs, are expected to increase by about 5% sequentially as we continue to invest in research and development to create a foundation for long-term growth.

Looking into the fourth quarter, we expect our consumer business to nearly double revenues from third quarter levels, and expect the PC business to be better than seasonal due to growth in integrated and new products.

MANAGEMENT'S DISCUSSION AND ANALYSIS OF INTERIM FINANCIAL RESULTS

This is management's discussion and analysis of financial condition and the results of operations (MD&A) that comments on ATI's operations, financial condition and cash flows for the three and six months ended February 28, 2005 compared to the three and six months ended February 29, 2004. This MD&A should be read in conjunction with the attached unaudited interim consolidated financial statements for the period ended February 28, 2005, the annual MD&A contained in the 2004 Annual Report and the audited consolidated financial statements for the year ended August 31, 2004.

In this MD&A, ATI, we, us and our mean ATI Technologies Inc. and its subsidiaries.

Important Information Regarding Forward-looking Statements

Forward-looking statements look into the future and provide an opinion as to the effect of certain events and trends on the business. Forward-looking statements may include words such as "plans," "intends," "anticipates," "should," "estimates," "expects," "believes," "indicates," "targeting," "suggests" and similar expressions.

This MD&A and other sections of this news release contain forward-looking statements about ATI's objectives, strategies, financial condition and results. These "forward-looking" statements are based on current expectations and entail various risks and uncertainties. Our actual results may materially differ from our expectations if known and unknown risks or uncertainties affect our business, or if our estimates or assumptions prove inaccurate. Therefore we cannot provide any assurance that forward-looking statements will materialize. We assume no obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statement, whether as a result of new information, future events or any other reason. Additional information concerning risks and uncertainties affecting our business and other factors that could cause our financial results to fluctuate is contained in our filings with Canadian and U.S. securities regulatory authorities, including our 2004 Annual Information Form and 2004 Annual Report filed on SEDAR at www.sedar.com.

Unless indicated otherwise, this MD&A reflects our expectations as of March 24, 2005.

Any reference to "year-over-year" in this MD&A refers to a comparison of this year's second quarter results versus the second quarter of the prior year unless otherwise noted.

RESULTS OF OPERATIONS

Revenues

Second quarter revenues grew $145 million to $608 million relative to the same period a year ago. The PC segment accounted for $550 million or 90% of revenues while the Consumer segment accounted for $58 million or 10% of revenues in the quarter.

Effective the first quarter of fiscal 2005, we operate in two reportable segments: PC and Consumer. The PC segment includes all 3D graphics, video and multimedia products developed for use in desktop and notebook computers. The Consumer segment includes products used in cell phones, digital televisions (DTVs) and other consumer electronics. The Consumer segment also includes royalties and contract engineering services under development and licence agreements with cell phone and game console product manufacturers.

PC

PC revenues were up just over 30% during the quarter compared to the same quarter last year primarily due to strong sales of discrete desktop products to the add-in board (AIB) channel and from PCI Express design wins with PC Original Equipment Manufacturers (OEMs). We continued to successfully penetrate the AIB channel, with record quarterly sales up nearly 50% from the second quarter last year. Product demand was particularly strong for mainstream AGP and high-end PCI Express products among OEM and AIB customers. Workstation product revenues more than doubled from the second quarter last year as we began to ramp a number of PCI Express-based OEM design wins.

Notebook discrete revenues in the quarter rose about 35% compared to the same quarter last year. These were somewhat offset by lower sales of integrated products.

Consumer

Handheld revenues in the second quarter rose almost 50% compared to the same quarter last year due to a growing number of design wins and strong product acceptance of the IMAGEON family of media processors, particularly the IMAGEON 2250. Revenues from digital television products grew dramatically due to the success of our XILLEON and NxtWave products with television manufacturers and the accelerating market transition from analog television to DTV in the U.S.

Revenues for the first six months of fiscal 2005

Revenues for the first six months of fiscal 2005 grew 31% to $1.2 billion from $933 million in the same period last year. The PC segment accounted for $1.1 billion or 87% of total revenues while Consumer represented $154 million or 13% of total revenue. Revenue growth resulted from strong market share and sales in desktop discrete, continued strength in the notebook market and strong sales improvement in our handheld and DTV consumer businesses.

Gross Margin

Gross margin percentage for the second quarter of fiscal 2005 was 34.2%, down 0.4% from 34.6% for the same period a year ago. Gross margin percentage for the first six months of fiscal 2005 was 34.1%, down from 35.2% for the same period last year.

The decline in gross margin percentage in both the quarter and year-to-date was primarily due to production costs associated with the introduction and ramp of our new PCI Express products - particularly in the desktop market. The overall gross margin percentage decline was partially offset by the strong sales growth in our consumer business, which has margins that are typically higher than our corporate average.

Operating Expenses

In total, our operating expenses, excluding stock-based compensation, increased 31% in the quarter and 22% on a year-to-date basis compared to the same periods last year, respectively. This was driven by the need to make the necessary investments to maintain technology leadership and create a platform for continued growth.

The foreign exchange impact of a stronger Canadian dollar increased operating expenses in the second quarter by $4 million or 4% compared to the same quarter last year.

Selling and marketing expenses were up 34% in the quarter compared to the second quarter last year. The increase was primarily related to higher levels of personnel, as well as increased advertising and promotion to support our revenue growth. On a year-to-date basis, selling and marketing expenses increased 22% compared to the six months last year mainly due to additional personnel, as well as higher sample costs and travel expenses largely related to sales and marketing programs.

Research and development (R&D) expenses rose 28% in the quarter compared to the second quarter of 2004. The increase was the result of continued investment across both the PC and Consumer segments to support continued product and technology leadership. The investment was largely the result of an increase in technical staff to support new product lines, but was also due to higher facility and prototyping costs. For the first half of fiscal 2005, R&D expenses rose 22% compared to the same period in 2004, for the same reasons cited above.

Administrative expenses were up 37% in the quarter and 24% for the first six months of fiscal 2005 compared to the same periods in 2004. The increases are primarily attributable to headcount related expenses.

Stock-based Compensation

In accordance with Canadian GAAP, in the first quarter of fiscal 2005, ATI began to expense compensation costs associated with stock options granted to employees after September 1, 2002. This expense item, along with the expense associated with restricted share units and deferred share units, is reflected in the expense for stock-based compensation included in the attached unaudited interim consolidated statements of operations and retained earnings.

Stock-options, restricted share units and deferred share units comprise all stock-based compensation currently awarded by ATI to our employees and directors. Stock-based compensation costs were $10.3 million pre-tax in the quarter as compared with $2.8 million in the same period last year. The increase in stock-based compensation was primarily related to ATI commencing the expensing of stock options in compliance with Canadian GAAP during the first quarter of fiscal 2005.

The $10.3 million expense in the second quarter of fiscal 2005 included $8.6 million for compensation costs associated with stock options and $1.7 million for compensation costs associated with restricted share units and deferred share units.

Interest and Other Income

Interest and other income was $4 million in the second quarter of 2005, compared with $2 million for the comparable period in fiscal 2004. The difference primarily reflects increased investment income derived from interest on our higher cash balances.

In the second quarter of fiscal 2005, we recorded an investment gain of approximately $1 million as compared with nil in the comparable period.

For the first six months of fiscal 2005, interest and other income was $6 million, as compared with $0.1 million for the same period in 2004. The difference is attributable to interest on our higher cash balances. Interest and other income in the first half of last year was also impacted by the write off of capital assets in the first quarter of the year, which was partially offset by an insurance recovery in the second quarter.

Net Income

Net income increased 20% to $57 million in the second quarter of fiscal 2005 from $48 million in the same quarter last year largely due to substantial growth in revenue. Net income per share increased to $0.22 from $0.19 over the same period. Net income and net income per share excluding the stock-based compensation costs described above were $66 million and $0.25, respectively, for the second quarter of fiscal 2005.

Year-to-date, net income increased 27% to $121 million or $0.47 per share from $95 million or $0.37 per share for the first half of fiscal 2004. The increase was largely the result of strong sales growth.

Liquidity and Financial Resources

Inventory turnover was above our target of 60 days to better support our customers during the AGP to PCI Express and lead-free transitions. Also, we have recently undertaken a strategic initiative to improve our manufacturing and product delivery processes and as a result, increased our inventory levels to ensure seamless order fulfillment as we transition through this process change. Inventory levels of $367 million at the end of the second quarter increased from $255 million at fiscal 2004 year-end. Inventory is expected to return within our target range by the end of the fiscal year.

Accounts receivable was up 12% to $410 million from $366 million at August 31, 2004. Accounts payable and accruals rose 23% to $583 million from $474 million at August 31, 2004. Accounts receivable, accounts payable and accruals are at levels consistent with our business volumes.

As of February 28, 2005 we had working capital of $852 million compared to $695 million at fiscal 2004 year-end. Cash flows from operations were $41 million in the second quarter. Our cash position, which is defined as cash and cash equivalents and short-term investments, at February 28, 2005 was $653 million, up from $549 million at fiscal 2004 year-end and $621 million at November 30, 2004.

Outstanding Share Data

At February 28, 2005 there were 252,258,221 common shares outstanding or 259,742,630 shares on a weighted average diluted basis.

Other Corporate Developments

During the quarter, we entered into a definitive agreement to acquire certain cable modem silicon intellectual property and to hire approximately twenty-five employees from Terayon Communication Systems, Inc. The transaction closed on March 9, 2005, subsequent to quarter-end. The purchase price allocation has not been finalized. An independent valuator is being employed to determine the allocation of the fair values of the assets acquired. The acquisition is expected to enhance our strategic position in the DTV market, particularly in the area of interactive digital cable ready (iDCR) television.

Also during the second quarter, we completed our acquisition of CuTe Solutions Private Limited ("CuTe") of Hyderabad, India. CuTe possesses expertise in audio and digital media solutions and will broaden our product offering for consumer electronics devices and personal computers. CuTe's offices in Hyderabad will also form the basis of ATI's new research and development centre in India, ATI Technologies India Private Limited.

Normal Course Issuer Bid

ATI also announced on March 24, 2005 that a Notice of Intention to make a Normal Course Issuer Bid has been filed with, and accepted by, the Toronto Stock Exchange. Under our Normal Course Issuer Bid, ATI may purchase up to 24,700,000 of its common shares, representing approximately 10% of its "public float" as of March 17, 2005, as calculated in accordance with TSX rules and policies. ATI will cancel any common shares purchased under this Bid. The purchase may commence on March 30, 2005 and will terminate on March 29, 2006 or on such earlier date as ATI may complete its purchases under the terms of the Bid.

ATI believes that its common shares are an attractive investment and that normal course purchases represent an excellent opportunity to enhance value for shareholders. ATI's strong cash position allows for the implementation of the normal course issuer bid without adversely affecting ATI's other growth opportunities.

ACCOUNTING POLICIES

Our unaudited interim consolidated financial statements are prepared according to Canadian GAAP. The key estimates and assumptions that management has made and their impact on the amounts reported in the unaudited interim consolidated financial statements and notes remain substantially unchanged from those described in our 2004 Annual MD&A, with the exception of the adoption in the first quarter of fiscal 2005 of the revised CICA Handbook Section 3870, "Stock-based Compensation and Other Stock-based Payments". See Note 1 to the unaudited interim consolidated financial statements for more information about the accounting policies used to prepare our financial statements.

SUPPLEMENTARY FINANCIAL INFORMATION

The table below shows selected financial information for the eight most recently completed quarters.


ATI TECHNOLOGIES INC.
CONSOLIDATED STATEMENTS OF OPERATIONS FOR EIGHT QUARTERS
(Thousands of U.S. dollars, except per share amounts)

Q2 2005 Q1 2005 Q4 2004 Q3 2004
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Revenues $608,188 $613,859 $572,218 $491,457
Cost of goods sold 399,885 405,009 379,836 318,918
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Gross margin 208,303 208,850 192,382 172,539

Expenses
Selling and marketing 36,352 33,125 29,244 31,243
Research and development 77,726 73,114 75,865 65,539
Administrative 15,793 12,676 11,517 12,166
Amortization of
intangible assets 1,389 1,244 1,486 1,546
Stock-based compensation 10,329 10,558 1,691 2,315
Other charges
(recoveries) 278 382 155 (454)
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141,867 131,099 119,958 112,355
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Income from operations 66,436 77,751 72,424 60,184

Interest and other
income (loss) 3,624 2,176 2,815 1,340
Gain (loss) on investments 880 0 0 (1,307)
Interest expense (537) (519) (499) (513)
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Income before income taxes 70,403 79,408 74,740 59,704
Income taxes 13,210 15,705 13,584 11,085
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Net income $57,193 $63,703 $61,156 $48,619
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Net income per share
Basic $0.23 $0.26 $0.25 $0.20
Diluted $0.22 $0.25 $0.24 $0.19

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Weighted average number
of shares (000's)

Basic 251,046 249,027 247,699 245,960
Diluted 259,743 257,917 258,198 256,650

Outstanding number of
shares at the end of the
period (000's) 252,258 251,324 249,287 247,886

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Q2 2004 Q1 2004 Q4 2003 Q3 2003
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Revenues $463,337 $469,705 $380,674 $355,691
Cost of goods sold 302,914 302,134 246,643 240,700
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Gross margin 160,423 167,571 134,031 114,991

Expenses
Selling and marketing 27,031 30,079 26,176 24,586
Research and development 60,809 63,278 61,285 53,713
Administrative 11,532 11,487 10,557 10,326
Amortization of
intangible assets 1,541 1,542 1,271 3,169
Stock-based compensation 2,826 751 0 0
Other charges
(recoveries) (178) 173 10,440 2,288
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103,561 107,310 109,729 94,082
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Income from operations 56,862 60,261 24,302 20,909

Interest and other
income (loss) 1,856 (1,754) 714 (1,350)
Gain (loss) on investments 0 0 3,844 0
Interest expense (531) (515) (516) (488)
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Income before income taxes 58,187 57,992 28,344 19,071
Income taxes 10,602 10,553 6,050 4,063
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Net income $47,585 $47,439 $22,294 $15,008
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Net income per share
Basic $0.19 $0.20 $0.09 $0.06
Diluted $0.19 $0.19 $0.09 $0.06

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Weighted average number
of shares (000's)

Basic 244,373 242,998 240,647 238,183
Diluted 255,876 254,109 249,525 242,539

Outstanding number of
shares at the end of the
period (000's) 246,604 244,239 241,742 239,267

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Conference Call Information

ATI Technologies Inc. will host a conference call today at 8:30 AM (EST) to discuss its financial results for its fiscal 2005 second quarter ended February 28, 2005. To participate in the conference call, please dial 416-405-9328 ten minutes before the scheduled start of the call. No password is required. A live webcast of the call will be available at http://www.ati.com/companyinfo/ir/quarterlyresults.html under the Quarterly Results section, Q2 2005. Replays of the conference call will be available through March 31, 2005 by calling 416-695-5800. The passcode is 3125451. A web cast replay will be available at the web site noted above.

About ATI Technologies

ATI Technologies Inc. is the world leader in the design and manufacture of innovative 3D graphics and digital media silicon solutions. An industry pioneer since 1985, ATI is the world's foremost graphics processing unit (GPU) provider and is dedicated to delivering leading-edge performance solutions for the full range of PC and Mac desktop and notebook platforms, workstation, set-top and digital television, game console and handheld device markets. With fiscal 2004 revenues of US $2 billion, ATI has more than 2,700 employees in the Americas, Europe and Asia. ATI common shares trade on NASDAQ (ATYT) and the Toronto Stock Exchange (ATY).

Copyright 2005 ATI Technologies Inc. All rights reserved. ATI and ATI product and product feature names are trademarks and/or registered trademarks of ATI Technologies Inc. All other company and product names are trademarks and/or registered trademarks of their respective owners. Features, pricing, availability and specifications are subject to change without notice.

For media or industry analyst support, visit our Web site at http://www.ati.com

Please click on the following link to access the Financials Statements and Notes to the Financial Statements - http://www2.ccnmatthews.com/database/fax/2000/ati0324.pdf

CONTACT: ATI Technologies Inc.
Public Relations
Chris Evenden, 905-882-2629
cevenden@ati.com
or
Investor Relations
Janet Craig, Director, 905-882-2631
janet@ati.com
http://www.ati.com
or
Porter Novelli Canada
Trevor Campbell, 416-422-7202
trevor.campbell@porternovelli.com

SOURCE: ATI Technologies Inc.
 
ATI 2nd Quarter 2005 Conference Call

Orton

Q2 success revolved around high-end discrete (X800 line).

Hyper-memory (yawn) shipping in high-volume.

We da man in discrete notebooks “and will continue to growâ€.

Handsets. (yawn –most TLA –Three Letter Acronym-- section of spoken word I’ve ever heard).

We da man in DTV too and expect “incredible market growth. . .in this explosive marketâ€.

Not gonna talk about consoles –“stay tunedâ€.

CFO

PC segment 90% of consolidated revenue (Can that be right? That’s what I heard) –particularly at top-end. Ultra high-end 20% of PC revenue, and quadrupled. Supply constraints “lifted somewhatâ€.

Notebook igp declined –will turn around with our new chip.

Workstation revenues doubled year-over-year.

Gross-margin is up over last quarter.

They’ve made some strategic decisions to increase inventory (which is up) to help out on the AGP to PCIe switchover.

Filed to buy back up to 10% of their stock –feel good about still having plenty of cash on hand for any “opportunities†that might pop up.

Orton

Happy talk about chipsets, hdtv, handsets. Still not gonna talk about consoles. Happy talk about convergence and graphics importance thereto.

“Right in front of us is the emergence of a new class of visual processing platforms. Over the next few months we expect to launch our next generation of gpu’s based on the new 90nm technology. Stay tuned and watch for the next major leap in visual realism come to reality.â€

Geo: “Next major leap of visual realism†sounds kind of hyperbolic –or does he know something we don’t? That doesn’t sound like performance –that sounds qualitative, and in the absence of an api change. Hrmph!


“Driving hard on next generation platforms†. . .broad range of 90nm products in development.

“Extremely high demand in mid-range AGP†caused us to up inventories.

“2005 is an investment year†in explaining why operating expenses are growing as fast as revenues. Expects more leverage in 2006.

Last ½ of January moving forward is when inventory constraints started to lift. . .

(Question) Mainstream got butt kicked by 6600. (Answer) Big problem was not enough AGP. Bridge solution and X800XL and X700 AGP will take care of that going forward.

Biggest surprise on transition was that channel (i.e. not OEM) didn’t embrace PCIe more even into their second quarter.

Losing sales due to supply constraints of what the market is looking to buy should be pretty much behind them.

“Excited†about yields and capacity for 90nm because it will be “a mainstream process†(i. e. other players in the semiconductor-consuming world are helping to get the kinks out of the process).

End of calendar year 2005 “will be pretty much a PCIe industry†(less than 100% tho). “Slope of the curve has been slower†but the duration of the transition is still what they originally expected.

(Question) Can they match SLI? (Answer) We’ve been an innovator for some time (starting with Maxx). Stay tuned, good opportunity, committed to bring a full solution.

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Mostly a big yawner.
 
i think they lost some marketshare again.
We will see when Nvidia posts its financial results in about one and a half months
 
geo said:
PC segment 90% of consolidated revenue (Can that be right? That’s what I heard) –particularly at top-end. Ultra high-end 20% of PC revenue, and quadrupled.

Sounds about right in comparison to last October.

Biggest surprise on transition was that channel (i.e. not OEM) didn’t embrace PCIe more even into their second quarter.

Losing sales due to supply constraints of what the market is looking to buy should be pretty much behind them.

PCIe was about 10% of ATI's business six months ago, and it sounds like their bet that it would be higher by now hasn't panned out - I'm guessing due to Nvidia's competitiveness.
 
I think ATI focussed on the OEm market more and miscalulated the enthusiast's desire to upgrade a whole platform just for a PCIe card.
I know that is what is stopping me - no real reason to upgrade my whole system too get a PCIe gfx card. there is no real compelling reason in terms of cpu performance nor PCIe addin card availabilty to upgrade. Even the 64bit version of windows isn't out and one thing I can not stand anymore is being a beta tester for products that are supposedly pass the RC stage.
 
IgnorancePersonified said:
I think ATI focussed on the OEm market more and miscalulated the enthusiast's desire to upgrade a whole platform just for a PCIe card.
I know that is what is stopping me - no real reason to upgrade my whole system too get a PCIe gfx card. there is no real compelling reason in terms of cpu performance nor PCIe addin card availabilty to upgrade. Even the 64bit version of windows isn't out and one thing I can not stand anymore is being a beta tester for products that are supposedly pass the RC stage.

Somebody around here pointed out that cpu's have been less than compelling the last 18 months (particularly on the Intel side of the ball) and that has had an impact on the willingness to shell out for new mobos as well. Hell, I'm still running a 2.4 @ 2.88 (20% overclock) and not feeling any particular need to upgrade. I may not be typical of hardcore gamers (because I'm not one), but I've been playing the high-profile games the last six months and not feeling like my "old" cpu is hopeless for doing so.
 
Yep.
I just bought a O2 Xda II Mini pocket_pc and am enjoying it more than any PC upgrade I made in the last year and concievably in the next future year.

They even make a version of Doom and Wolf3D for it :D
 
geo said:
Somebody around here pointed out that cpu's have been less than compelling the last 18 months (particularly on the Intel side of the ball) and that has had an impact on the willingness to shell out for new mobos as well....

That would be me. ;)

And I still stand by that.

If CPUs have in fact been progessing in power as they traditionally had been in the past, there would be a much larger uptake of PCIe mobos by "upgraders" to support the new CPUs. People generally don't upgrade their mobos unless

1) their current mobo fails
2) They are upgrading their CPU at the same time

I upgraded my CPU / mobo about 18 months ago to an Intel 3.2 GHz northwood. I see absolutely no reason / desire to update my CPU...which traditionally I have only done when the "next to best" CPU on the market would get me 2x the performance of what I currently have.

CPUs have been positively stagnant IMO for the past two years. Kinda depressing. And sadly, the introduction of dual core isn't going to do all that much either.
 
Joe DeFuria said:
And sadly, the introduction of dual core isn't going to do all that much either.

Until Xbox 2 titles are ported over (or released for both platforms simultaneously, a la Oblivion).
 
John Reynolds said:
Joe DeFuria said:
And sadly, the introduction of dual core isn't going to do all that much either.

Until Xbox 2 titles are ported over (or released for both platforms simultaneously, a la Oblivion).

True...however, I suspect it will take a while before software "meaningfully" catches up to hardware. But yes, once games really start utilizing multi-core / thread hardware, and benchmarks show it, then the new CPUs will start drawing demand.
 
Joe DeFuria said:
geo said:
Somebody around here pointed out that cpu's have been less than compelling the last 18 months (particularly on the Intel side of the ball) and that has had an impact on the willingness to shell out for new mobos as well....

That would be me. ;)

And I still stand by that.

If CPUs have in fact been progessing in power as they traditionally had been in the past, there would be a much larger uptake of PCIe mobos by "upgraders" to support the new CPUs. People generally don't upgrade their mobos unless

1) their current mobo fails
2) They are upgrading their CPU at the same time

I upgraded my CPU / mobo about 18 months ago to an Intel 3.2 GHz northwood. I see absolutely no reason / desire to update my CPU...which traditionally I have only done when the "next to best" CPU on the market would get me 2x the performance of what I currently have.

CPUs have been positively stagnant IMO for the past two years. Kinda depressing. And sadly, the introduction of dual core isn't going to do all that much either.

Yeah, I was about 95% thinking it was you. :) I upgraded last time just a little before you did it appears, but I overclocked 20% (God Bless ASUS for hassle-free oc'ing) and haven't felt any particular need either, even playing D3, FC, and HL2 at 12x10 and nearly all the eye candy.
 
Yeah, ususally, within 18 months to 2 years, I'm doing my next "system wide" upgrade. New CPU / memory / mobo....

What's really depressing is that not only have I so little incentive (performance wise) to upgrade, but I can't even seen any CPU on the currently published road-maps that I could honestly say I'm "waiting for." As in...yeah...when THAT CPU comes out, and its price - point hits $X, I'll be upgrading to that. :(
 
And having just put a $400 6800GT in my main box a few months ago, not in a hurry to make it worthless (tho it must be said that eBay has helped out there alot --particularly those Euroboys looking to sidestep VAT and availability issues :D ).

Maybe I'll do an AMD thing next time. . .but then last time for me with them was a 486 dx4/120. :oops:
 
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