Doomtrooper
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I see you have never debated with Kyle, once you do you will realize intelligent conversation is not possible...some posted emails from him here exposes that..and I have many myself 
NVIDIA Are the Industry Standard Shader Driving Force?
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Kyle was a 'complete dick' to me too via e-mail regarding a sensationalist newpost he had made on [H]is site. He couldn't see my point and when I put my case forward he blocked my e-mail address. Very emotional guy - he thought I just wanted to have the last word and win an argument is my guess.
Unfortunately I lost all respect for him but I still visit his site because even though he is a 'complete dick' he does love what he does in the computer industry and sometimes he is posting some great news/info.
Still, just because Kyle was a 'complete dick' to me (and is probably to other people he disagrees with or finds objectionable), it doesn't mean you reciprocate the behaviour.
If anyone thinks why I would go to his site I also fell out with that guy from AMDZONE a site that I won't be visiting anytime soon or maybe never. The difference is that AMDZONE is useless and "complete dick" would be the understatement of the century for that guy.. [H]ardOCP still has uses for me.
Bah I feel sick.. there is too much hate in this world.
Kyle was a 'complete dick' to me too via e-mail regarding a sensationalist newpost he had made on [H]is site. He couldn't see my point and when I put my case forward he blocked my e-mail address. Very emotional guy - he thought I just wanted to have the last word and win an argument is my guess.
Unfortunately I lost all respect for him but I still visit his site because even though he is a 'complete dick' he does love what he does in the computer industry and sometimes he is posting some great news/info.
Still, just because Kyle was a 'complete dick' to me (and is probably to other people he disagrees with or finds objectionable), it doesn't mean you reciprocate the behaviour.
If anyone thinks why I would go to his site I also fell out with that guy from AMDZONE a site that I won't be visiting anytime soon or maybe never. The difference is that AMDZONE is useless and "complete dick" would be the understatement of the century for that guy.. [H]ardOCP still has uses for me.
Bah I feel sick.. there is too much hate in this world.
YeuEmMaiMai
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I guess by your response, you must fall into the dick catagory, sorry that you are always sticking up for the pro nvidia guy but I guess there is a sucker born every minute now isn't there?
saying someone has their head buried in the sand is not being a dick but what you said below falls right into that catagory...
saying someone has their head buried in the sand is not being a dick but what you said below falls right into that catagory...
RussSchultz said:
Btw, I just tried running dawn again on my 9700pro, and can confirm that in ultra mode, there are no eye lashes, but in regular mode, there are.
This whole debate is kind of silly though isn't it? I mean, it was a PR statement, and while it's sort of true given the numbers posted on the net, it *is* fundamentally an apples to oranges comparison due to it simply being a nvidia demo and the two cards don't render everything the same way. This is why stuff like dawn shouldn't be used to prove any kind of superiority for either company.
Nite_Hawk
This whole debate is kind of silly though isn't it? I mean, it was a PR statement, and while it's sort of true given the numbers posted on the net, it *is* fundamentally an apples to oranges comparison due to it simply being a nvidia demo and the two cards don't render everything the same way. This is why stuff like dawn shouldn't be used to prove any kind of superiority for either company.
Nite_Hawk
RussSchultz said:
Heh-Heh...Don't know that I'd characterize "the answer" that way...
I think the answer is most likely Kyle doesn't post here because he's unable to defend his opinions...simple as that. And also because he can't delete the posts made which do a good job refuting his position and ban the offenders, don't ya' know...
I think you're giving him way too much credit. You'll find "dicks" anywhere and everywhere on the Internet (that's not saying anyone here is a "dick", however.) If you run a web site which throws stones at other people and other companies and you don't have a thick skin you're in trouble. A little spirited debate never hurt anybody...
Hard to justify your position, though, when you don't have one. If Kyle wants to come over here and state his positions and courageously debate them--I think that would be swell. The presence or abscence of "dicks", however, should not be a determining factor--nor do I think it is as I've stated. If he wants to defend his positions in these forums, though, I daresay he'd run into far fewer "dicks" here than anywhere else. He's a grown man--if he can dish it out he ought to be able to take it.radar1200gs
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There is nothing stopping ATi from recognising custom nVidia extensions within their backend Cg compiler and substituting those extensions with their own extensions in order to make code work.
It is simply a matter of applying a little effort - which I don't see ATi doing.
Cg can work just as effectively for ATi as it does for nVidia or anybody else - they simply do not want it to.
It is simply a matter of applying a little effort - which I don't see ATi doing.
Cg can work just as effectively for ATi as it does for nVidia or anybody else - they simply do not want it to.
radar1200gs
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Cetainly, I. P. rights may be an issue in some cases like Ultrashadow (which is patented by nVidia).
Simply reverse engineering a competitors extension is likely to be frowned upon also.
But other than that there is nothing really wrong with detecting a custom extension for one architecture and running the appropriate one on another architecture. It is part of what Cg was designed to do - make graphics code portable.
Simply reverse engineering a competitors extension is likely to be frowned upon also.
But other than that there is nothing really wrong with detecting a custom extension for one architecture and running the appropriate one on another architecture. It is part of what Cg was designed to do - make graphics code portable.
RussSchultz said:
Well speaking of dicks, this is how the [h]ard one responds to members in his own fourms. Who ever said that Kyle does not have a sensitive side.
FrgMstr said:
link http://www.hardforum.com/showthread...4704c&threadid=628164&perpage=15&pagenumber=4
I'm rubber; you're glue. What bounces of me sticks to you.YeuEmMaiMai said:
Would you be proud enough of how you interact with people over the internet to show your parents or children?
"That's right, little Sally, this is how you flame people. Can you say 'ad hominem'? I knew you could."
I'm not sticking up for Kyle. I'd just rather Beyond3d not have a forum that tolerates antagonizing anybody, regardless of what they've got to say.
radar1200gs
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YeuEmMaiMai said:
I had meant to clean this up several post back, but forgot.
http://www.tech-report.com/etc/2003q2/3dmurk03/index.x?pg=1
StealthHawk
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He was talking about what started it all, the clipping plane issues discovered in 3dmark03. Which led to the discorvery of the buffer clears, and the shader replacement.
The whole 3dmurk AF performance thing came afterwards. But the original hunt for cheats had nothing to do with ATI.
The whole 3dmurk AF performance thing came afterwards. But the original hunt for cheats had nothing to do with ATI.
radar1200gs
Regular
And just what qualifies ATi to open their cakehole about alleged nVidia cheats in 3DMark2003 when they themselves were also cheating?
QUAK isn't a valid answer - ATi were clearly cheating there, while nVidia clearly were not.
ATi should shut the hell up about the competition and concentrate on cleaning their own back yard up.
QUAK isn't a valid answer - ATi were clearly cheating there, while nVidia clearly were not.
ATi should shut the hell up about the competition and concentrate on cleaning their own back yard up.
Exceptional moral reasoning there!
radar1200gs
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Forget about company morals - large corporations have none. They do whatever it takes to succeed. They answer to their shareholders and the almighty dollar only. Anyone who thinks any different is a fool.
I was talking about the rather flimsy morality you were displaying there.
However, you just contradicted yourself. First you say that ATI have no right to talk about NVIDIA cheating, and then you say companies should do what they need to suceed which gives ATI every right to highlight when they think their competitor is cheating by your own logic.
However, you just contradicted yourself. First you say that ATI have no right to talk about NVIDIA cheating, and then you say companies should do what they need to suceed which gives ATI every right to highlight when they think their competitor is cheating by your own logic.
radar1200gs
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I don't see any problem with my morals in that post.
nVIdia has no moral problems where ATi is concerned either. I have not seen them talk down ATi they way ATi has talked them down since the release of R300.
ATi are the ones running their mouths, not nVidia.
nVIdia has no moral problems where ATi is concerned either. I have not seen them talk down ATi they way ATi has talked them down since the release of R300.
ATi are the ones running their mouths, not nVidia.
micron said:
Oh my. That one looks mighty strange out of context.
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