RussSchultz said:
Well, if every time I came and visited some place, and people spat on me, I'd stop visiting. And that is exactly what happens here when Kyle comes and visits. Whether he's right or wrong in his facts, or counter to the prevailing opinion, the amount of vitriolic antagonism spewed in his direction is downright embarrasing.
Russ, I think it's great when people come and visit--better still when they have something substantial to say. I found Kyle's "Two days after the Doom 3 preview..." attack on ExtremeTech to be one of the most embarrasing commentaries I've read on a web site since the glory days at Tom's Hardware...
That's not to mention his embarrasing and indefensible "If you can't see the cheating it's not cheating" comments, considering that the complaints about the cheating were based entirely on what you could see (somehow invisible to Kyle, though.) No question Kyle knows how to dispense his own brand of vitriolic antagonism when it suits him, right? "If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen," etc....
Sure, I know it's tough to post opinions in a forum in which you have no control and can't delete inconvenient posts and ban people's accounts because you don't like their opinions--but, hey, if you are going to use the front page of your web site to rip other web sites, rip software companies, and others, and make accusations you can't defend or substantiate, you really shouldn't be surprised when others take you to task for it and demand some sort of an explanation that goes beyond "because I say so." That sort of behavior is really embarrasing, I think. I'd be embarrassed about it, too, if I was him.
But I think the root of any "antagonism" you might sense is fueled in no small part by a complete inability on Kyle's part to explain his editorial comments in a manner that holds up to scrutiny. I think that's what embarrasses him the most--understandably.
Anyway, now that nVidia is moving toward the wholesale public condemnation of all benchmarks which don't portray its hardware as nVidia would like it portrayed (something as innocuous as "fraps" is now slothfully wicked and wrongheaded), it will be interesting to see how far [H] will go along with nVidia to stamp out all anti-nVidia propaganda software (like fraps, for cryin' out loud.)
I'd like nothing better to see Kyle do a 180 and say--"You know, nVidia is going too far in its bid to control the 3D chip industry and we at [H] would like to see them cease and desist post haste before they hurt themselves so much they may never recover." I can understand an opinion which is that 3D Mark is not representative of some things. I may not agree with the general spirit of such opinions but I can understand them.
What I will never understand is shooting the messenger and blaming FutureMark for the way in which nVidia has butchered the company's software with its Detonators. Should bank robbers be pardoned because the bank they robbed was there and vulnerable to a well-planned heist? I don't think that's an excuse--and likewise cheating a benchmark just to make your products appear better than they actually are simply because the benchmark is vulnerable is no excuse, either. But Kyle's position as he has expressed it is that nVidia is blameless and what everybody should do is throw out their benchmarks--I guess because nVidia says so. How about a novel approach--like for instance nVidia doesn't cheat? Hey, that would work. I think it's opinions like these as Kyle as characterized them that create a certain amount of understandable contempt, Russ.
