NVidia Ada Speculation, Rumours and Discussion

[eastmen]

It's just so f-ing blatant when you look at the memory bandwidth and the core counts on them though, very sleazy.

Well I mean
4080 12gig $900
4080 16gig $1200
4090 24gig $1600

vs

3070 8 gig $500
3080 10gig $700
3090 24gig $1500.

The price difference between the two 4080s is a $100 more than the 3070/3080 divide . The 4090 is a bit of a steal lol

LIke I said in the amd thread. If AMD can come in with something close to 4090 performance at the lower end 3080 pricing then they can really move some units. But AMD may not want to try and win with price.


I want to upgrade cause my 3080 only has 10gigs and I think that could cause an issue with some upcoming games. But if both companies have gpus close to 1k as the upgrade for me, I could just wait for the 5080/rdna 4 generation.

 

[DegustatoR]

Well I mean
4080 12gig $900
4080 16gig $1200
4090 24gig $1600

vs

3070 8 gig $500
3080 10gig $700
3090 24gig $1500.

Or you could compare at actual similar prices instead of randomly picked 30 series cards:

4080 12gig $900 vs $800 3080 12GB
4080 16gig $1200 vs $1200 3080Ti
4090 24gig $1600 vs $1500 3090

Or similar performance of which there is only one unfortunately:

4080 12gig $900 vs $2000 3090Ti

 

[techuse]

Or you could compare at actual similar prices instead of randomly picked 30 series cards:

4080 12gig $900 vs $800 3080 12GB
4080 16gig $1200 vs $1200 3080Ti
4090 24gig $1600 vs $1500 3090

Or similar performance of which there is only one unfortunately:

4080 12gig $900 vs $2000 3090Ti

4080 12GBwill be like 10-15% faster than a 3080 12 GB. 4080 16GB vs 3080ti will be a bit better at 15-25%. No worthwhile progress though.

 

[eastmen]

Or you could compare at actual similar prices instead of randomly picked 30 series cards:

4080 12gig $900 vs $800 3080 12GB
4080 16gig $1200 vs $1200 3080Ti
4090 24gig $1600 vs $1500 3090

Or similar performance of which there is only one unfortunately:

4080 12gig $900 vs $2000 3090Ti

I compared announced prices to announced prices . If you don't like that comparison then go talk to nvidia.

Hopefully this is another geforce fx fiasco and amd is able to bring the heat because Nvidia is getting out of control with their pricing.

 

[DegustatoR]

I compared announced prices to announced prices

As did I. But instead of choosing some random cards from 30 series - why not 3050 btw? - I've chosen by a similar price.

Hopefully this is another geforce fx fiasco and amd is able to bring the heat because Nvidia is getting out of control with their pricing.

I fully expect AMD to price their upcoming cards accordingly, just like they did with pretty much every generation since RX300.

 

[eastmen]

As did I. But instead of choosing some random cards from 30 series - why not 3050 btw? - I've chosen by a similar price.


I fully expect AMD to price their upcoming cards accordingly, just like they did with pretty much every generation since RX300.

Who chose random cards ? I compared the 3 original cards from ampre to the 3 announced cards of ada. Also I was responding to a person talking about the 3070 .

If I missed the 4070 announcement than please by all means post the ram amounts and pricing for it.

 

[DegustatoR]

Who chose random cards ? I compared the 3 original cards from ampre to the 3 announced cards of ada

Oh, so it's a comparison based on which cards where announced first? Gee 750Ti must have been a steal for you then.

 

[Remij]

Now.... just imagine what Nvidia would have MSRP'd these cards for... had crypto not crashed...

 

[eastmen]

Oh, so it's a comparison based on which cards where announced first? Gee 750Ti must have been a steal for you then.

You seem upset that I am comparing the cards to the launch of Ampre. Don't worry I am sure next year when Nvidia releases the refreshes of ada you will be be doing damage control for their price increases again.

 

[DegustatoR]

You seem upset that I am comparing the cards to the launch of Ampre.

I'm upset that you choose absolutely random cards instead of using a basis for your comparison which most buyers would use when looking at these new products.

 

[eastmen]

I'm upset that you choose absolutely random cards instead of using a basis for your comparison which most buyers would use when looking at these new products.

So I wouldn't be part of most buyers ? It seems like others in this thread have compared it to the original ampre releases also.

I think its more likely that a person will buy a video card once a graphics generation than a new graphics card every refresh. Do you think most buyers will be upgrading a video card every refresh ? at $900+ prices ?

I understand that you are okay with Nvidia continuing to drive prices up. The way you choose to spend your money and the way you try and rationalize your choices is entirely up to you. I will tell you right now I don't appreciate you trying to control how I look at prices and compare products. I own a 3080 , I want to replace the 3080. The 4080 is now $500 more than what I paid for my 3080. Will the 4080 offer almost double the performance with close to double the price ?

 

[DegustatoR]

I understand that you are okay with Nvidia continuing to drive prices up.

There will be 40 series cards below the price of 4080 12GB.
Nobody is forcing you to buy any of these cards.
They even named it "4080 12GB" so that you wouldn't compare it to 3070 yet here we are.

 

[eastmen]

Now.... just imagine what Nvidia would have MSRP'd these cards for... had crypto not crashed...

I think these were the prices they would go for no mater what. I think Nvidia is very aware that you can only push pricing so far so fast. They also still have amd to worry about. If AMD can get close in performance with lower prices there is only so much they can push it.

 

[Malo]

4080 12gig $900 vs $800 3080 12GB
4080 16gig $1200 vs $1200 3080Ti

Those cards only existed due to the crypto craze and Nvidia milking everything it could. It's telling how hard the process on those particular cards dumped after the crash.

Anyone who believes those prices are justified and not just being used as anchors for the gullible are fooling themselves.

 

[Flappy Pannus]

50% is disappointing now? Not impressive for gaming?

Hmm, I should go to bed. :[

For the price and specs, yes actually. There's a huge dropoff as well from the $1600 model to "just" the $1200 one too. As always though, 'wait for the benchmarks'.

Sure, people will buy the $1600 4090. They will use it for gaming. And...their numbers will also be basically irrelevant to PC gaming on the whole. I'm more impressed by cards that the masses can actually purchase, which in turn drives game development that actually bothers to take advantage of its features/performance because more than 1% of their potential purchasers will have one. The 4090 is only so interesting as the tech it can eventually bring to cards priced more realistically.

 

[eastmen]

There will be 40 series cards below the price of 4080 12GB.
Nobody is forcing you to buy any of these cards.
They even named it "4080 12GB" so that you wouldn't compare it to 3070 yet here we are.

Yes there will be 40 series cards below the price of the 4080 12 gig at some point. were any announced ? No ? then why bring them up ?

Yes no one is forcing me to buy any of them. But why does that matter ?

That is great for Nvidia they can do what they want. Still wont stop me from pointing out how bad the pricing on the cards is and how they are trying to do a bait and switch with the naming scheme. Seems to be a common sentiment across various forums and socials also.

 

[Remij]

For the price and specs, yes actually. There's a huge dropoff as well from the $1600 model to "just" the $1200 one too. As always though, 'wait for the benchmarks'.

Sure, people will buy the $1600 4090. They will use it for gaming. And...their numbers will also be basically irrelevant to PC gaming on the whole. I'm more impressed by cards that the masses can actually purchase, which in turn drives game development that actually bothers to take advantage of its features/performance because more than 1% of their potential purchasers will have one. The 4090 is only so interesting as the tech it can eventually bring to cards priced more realistically.

Oh I know. I'm one of those idiots.

I just wonder how many they are going to produce. I'd like to be able to wait a week or so, soak in the reviews and get some real world impressions before buying.. and I'd like to think it wont be much of an issue... but I doubt that, despite the market atm.

 

[Flappy Pannus]

Those cards only existed due to the crypto crazy and Nvidia milking everything it couldn't. It's telling how hard the process on those particular cards dumped after the crash.

Anyone who believes those prices are justified and not just being used as anchors for the gullible are fooling themselves.

Exactly, they were seen exactly as that when they were released - largely superfluous cards just made to milk every last drop out of a desperate market.

 

[DegustatoR]

Yes there will be 40 series cards below the price of the 4080 12 gig at some point. were any announced ? No ? then why bring them up ?

Because there are no 40 series cards announced at prices of 30 series below 3080 12GB.
And yet you are comparing them to 3070 for some reason.

 

[xpea]

No where in my post do I use the word disappointing. From a gaming view, 3x the transistors and “2 node shrinks” for a 50% performance uplift just doesn't seem particularly impressive in terms of architecture.

I disagree and I think Nvidia is investing the transistor budget in the right area. I don't care about raster. AT ALL. It's already enough. Ray Tracing / Path tracing is where I want to see major improvements and I like the smart new techs that Ada bring to the table like Path tracing accelerated SDK, Shader Execution Reordering (SER), Micro Mesh, Opacity micro map and DLSS3:

RTX Path Tracing

Build a top quality, real-time path tracer with a highly customizable toolkit.

developer.nvidia.com

NVIDIA Micromesh

A graphics primitive for micro triangles that can encode opacity or displacement.

developer.nvidia.com

All very impressive and towards path tracing that is the holy grail. Racer is the best example of this bright gaming future: