Now the war is over wishfull thinkers please explain how blu will ever replace DVD.

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What kills me about this is that there are so many legitimate ways to use the bandwidth that is sold to you, and yet anyone who is a power user is always lumped into the pirate/torrent group. If the cable companies would upgrade their aging technology, they wouldn't have to resort to these kinds of measures.
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I hope they would have a generous flat rate monthly allowance per person and only charge when that is exceeded.
 
Maybe they should stop advertising and selling their services as unlimited. This is just an example of more corporate greed taking over. They need to stop overselling their bandwidth and upgrade their infrastructure. They will be raping those who use an average amount and those who use their unlimited amount, instead of offering discounts to those who use less. Pretty much all around, their consumers lose.
 
My take on the matter is it will be bloody ages for bluray to replace DVD. While Blu hardware sales will probably mostly replace DVD hardware, you can probably still expect to see dirt cheap standalone and portable DVD players around for a while. Also due to the huge proliferation of DVD players, people are continue to buy DVD movies/tv programs, so they can be used on all their devices. It's a simply obvious statement to make. If the industry can manage to convince people that somehow DVD isn't good enough anymore, they be able to get more Blu sales, but the industry has a lot of work to do.

For example, my dad has like 3 dvd players and a portable dvd player too. He, like a lot of other consumers, doesn't have a proper home theater setup. For someone like him, Bluray is not going to be able to give a compelling argument because the disks will not work on all the players. Lets say he buys a Bluray player. Which DVD player would get replaced. The one in the rumpus room (the main TV that the kids usually watch), the one in the lounge room, the one in the bedroom, or the portable. It doesn't really matter which is replaced, as buying a Bluray disk means that they would be inconvienced by only being able to watch the disk in one place. Not to mention none of the TVs are high def, so the high def nature of Blu can only be used as a future promise.

Honestly, I don't know a way the industry could convince someone like my dad to buy bluray, unless they included Bluray and DVD in the same box. That way there would be no disadvantage to the consumer, and if the consumer gets Bluray disks without even having a player, they might be interested enough to buy a player to use the disks as they will know they are 'better'. In particular they could also choose to not put any extras on the DVD version and reserve all that stuff for the Bluray version as an extra incentive.

Would it work? Perhaps, but it would still be slow. The amount of DVD players is going to continue to be a problem for Bluray. Sure there was a lot of VHS too, but it seems like there are way more DVD now that there ever was VHS.
 
Ok, I was trying to dig up BDA's plan for Java since it can now run on cellphones, PDAs, desktops, laptops, servers, PS3 and HD movie players.

It seems that Java has made some advancement on a few fronts:
http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=530147&postcount=10

... and as those of you who followed CES may have seen there has been lots of positive activity there as well with the unveiling of cable's strong commitment to deploying "tru2way" (formerly known as OCAP), which is essentially the same software platform as BD-J. What this means is that advanced content you see on Blu-ray titles today may be available through your cable provider in the future, and forthcoming TV interactivity may be packaged up on the Blu-ray disc compilation. It also makes convergence products like high-def DVR cable boxes with Blu-ray playback and recording more likely.
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http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=533975&postcount=33

Sony has been fighting against OCAP (now known as tru2way), but we have some strong vendors in favor of it, including Panasonic, Samsung, LG, Thomson, and even Toshiba. Intel, Microsoft, and Tivo have even come around to some extent.

The FCC may choose to make tru2way mandatory, may choose the CEA's alternate approach, or may not rule either way, but in the absence of a ruling against tru2way I think we'll see very widespread adoption over the next few years.
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Another one that talks about satellite TV and OTA interactivity:
http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=531027&postcount=21

... the Java platform (BD-J) supports most of the same capabilities an operating system does. In fact, it's already been done on the very similar Multimedia Home Platform (MHP), a standard for over-the-air and satellite TV based on the same Java platform as BD-J. When you watch "Who Wants to be a Millionaire" in Italy you get a Java browser (transparently) downloaded to your set-top box, and then that browser renders the HTML content for the game itself (see screenshot below). This model could work well for studios to use to access specific HTML content online, but probably wouldn't work great as a general purpose browser (since it likely wouldn't support all of the latest HTML standards used online).

Millionaire.jpg
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On IPTV + BD-J:

... I don't think IPTV was significantly on the radar when Java was selected for BD-J. Also, while a BD player could clearly serve as an IPTV client, I don't think the business case is there for it yet (other than the PS3), as there simply isn't enough penetration yet for a telco to consider it as a viable platform.
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Some development resources for BD-J: http://forums.java.net/jive/forum.jspa?forumID=117
 
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Colourless said:
My take on the matter is it will be bloody ages for bluray to replace DVD. While Blu hardware sales will probably mostly replace DVD hardware, you can probably still expect to see dirt cheap standalone and portable DVD players around for a while. Also due to the huge proliferation of DVD players, people are continue to buy DVD movies/tv programs, so they can be used on all their devices. It's a simply obvious statement to make. If the industry can manage to convince people that somehow DVD isn't good enough anymore, they be able to get more Blu sales, but the industry has a lot of work to do.

For example, my dad has like 3 dvd players and a portable dvd player too. He, like a lot of other consumers, doesn't have a proper home theater setup. For someone like him, Bluray is not going to be able to give a compelling argument because the disks will not work on all the players. Lets say he buys a Bluray player. Which DVD player would get replaced. The one in the rumpus room (the main TV that the kids usually watch), the one in the lounge room, the one in the bedroom, or the portable. It doesn't really matter which is replaced, as buying a Bluray disk means that they would be inconvienced by only being able to watch the disk in one place. Not to mention none of the TVs are high def, so the high def nature of Blu can only be used as a future promise.

Honestly, I don't know a way the industry could convince someone like my dad to buy bluray, unless they included Bluray and DVD in the same box. That way there would be no disadvantage to the consumer, and if the consumer gets Bluray disks without even having a player, they might be interested enough to buy a player to use the disks as they will know they are 'better'. In particular they could also choose to not put any extras on the DVD version and reserve all that stuff for the Bluray version as an extra incentive.

Would it work? Perhaps, but it would still be slow. The amount of DVD players is going to continue to be a problem for Bluray. Sure there was a lot of VHS too, but it seems like there are way more DVD now that there ever was VHS.
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In certain parts of Asia, Video CD is still rather popular (and costs 1/3 - 1/2 as much). But DVD found mainstream adoption in these markets regardless. I don't thinking limiting DVD is the way to go, keep adding value to Blu-ray and making it simpler and more relevant to emerging media consumption habits may be the way forward.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/2008011...ectricaldvd;_ylt=AqKlPh0zQe76iZVJxHqjCygjtBAF

The proportion of DVD recorders sold that were next-generation rose from 6.1 percent in October to around 20 percent in November and December, said the study by Japan's Business Computer News think tank released Thursday.

Due to the price difference, next-generation DVDs made up a lucrative 35 percent of the total value of DVD recorder sales in the last two months of 2007, it said.

...

Blu-Ray is used in Sony's PlayStation 3 video-game machine, but the study only looked at living-room DVD recorders.
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There will be difficult challenges ahead (e.g., DVD will react to Blu-ray's advances), but this is a common scenario in all high tech consumer market.


EDIT:
On a related but separate front, HBO launches video download services in Wisconsin for Time Warner Cable customers:
http://www.contentagenda.com/articleXml/LN731394080.html?industryid=45173
 
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Once again I find myself incredibly jealous of the American telecommunications infrastructure. In Australia, we're already reaching the limits of our infrastructure, and the fastest internet available around my area is a 3mbit ADSL2 connection. And for $70/month, you get a 20gb/20gb peak/offpeak cap. We can't get "unlimited" plans.
 
I am a little confused on the question...

Is it specifically refering to a specific use??? i.e. in movies, pc/video game, data storage,???


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lol nm, I re-read the whole thing and it looks like the question is geared towards the movie industry... i think :)

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Well, I think it will definitely dominate the home front since HDTVs are starting to become mainstream... and a big factor would be when bluray components will start to hit the ideal price for companies to start taking advantage of it and for the mainstream consumers to easily afford it... process of natural assimilation.

and also because I think portable media players (Hard disk/flash memory based) will be much prefered than portable disc media players just coz of it's battery charge and the bulky nature of a disc player's design....

And to the topic starter, I humbly think that people aren't as cheap as you make it sound... otherwise there wouldn't be any brand names or any progression of newer technology
 
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BRiT said:
Maybe they should stop advertising and selling their services as unlimited. This is just an example of more corporate greed taking over. They need to stop overselling their bandwidth and upgrade their infrastructure. They will be raping those who use an average amount and those who use their unlimited amount, instead of offering discounts to those who use less. Pretty much all around, their consumers lose.
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Exactly. Makes sense to me.

People are looking at this the wrong way. They claim that the cable companies are only charging more from heavy users and not giving light users a break, but competition will fix this easily. We just need a company to step up and sell some broadband that doesn't claim to be unlimited, and smart consumers will flock over to take advantage of lower cost.

I've seen a few cases where this has already happened. With cell phones, it's so hard to find a cheap cell phone plan for light use. Eventually a few companies came up with prepaid that wasn't a complete ripoff. With VOIP, the big thing was unlimited calling plans that saves a lot of money for heavy long-distance users but not much for others. I'm now with CallCentric and they have a low cost pay-per-call model.

With any service, people seem to always be concerned with overuse fees, and would rather pay more to have a steady bill instead of one that fluctuates but costs less overall. I can't understand it myself except for really big things like house and car insurance. I think this is why companies can get away with the model they're using.
 
Mintmaster said:
Exactly. Makes sense to me.

People are looking at this the wrong way. They claim that the cable companies are only charging more from heavy users and not giving light users a break, but competition will fix this easily. We just need a company to step up and sell some broadband that doesn't claim to be unlimited, and smart consumers will flock over to take advantage of lower cost.
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The problem is that you can't compare what you are getting from different ISPs. They don't tell you how many users are contending for bandwidth, and what bandwidth you will actually get, and how this varies during the day. As things stand, there is absolutely no way of telling what you will get regardless of how things are being charged or what is being promised. What is required is for QOS charts to be published for on a 24/7 basis over a period of time by an independent ombudsman so we can actually compare vendors.
 
Everyone says that, but in the 6 years I've had cable internet service, there's never been a time when I hadn't received the stated bandwidth for my transfers. Maybe it's because my cable provider didn't oversell their services to begin with?
 
BRiT said:
Everyone says that, but in the 6 years I've had cable internet service, there's never been a time when I hadn't received the stated bandwidth for my transfers. Maybe it's because my cable provider didn't oversell their services to begin with?
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Yes but is the stated bandwidth what you are actually able to get given contention with others for the bandwidth? Are there times in the day when contention for the stated bandwidth with others prevent you getting the advertised bandwidth? Is the contention ratio guaranteed or will it be increased in future? Where are the comparative figures from other ISPs so you can make an informed choice? Are the stated figures accurate/representative, since they are given by the ISPs themselves?
 
Wow, the HD-DVD camp seems to be pulling all stops to sell their movies in a last ditch effort (or is it the retail stores since they dont want to sell items from a dead format?)

Im looking at some local Best Buy/Circuit City ads the past two weeks and its bombarded with HD-DVD movies and hardwares at lower prices :!:
 
Fu3lFr3nzy said:
Wow, the HD-DVD camp seems to be pulling all stops to sell their movies in a last ditch effort (or is it the retail stores since they dont want to sell items from a dead format?)

Im looking at some local Best Buy/Circuit City ads the past two weeks and its bombarded with HD-DVD movies and hardwares at lower prices :!:
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I think the term for it is "dumping of obsolescent stock".
 
Yep. Retail chains (and etail) are clearing out their remaining HD DVD inventory at closeout prices. The format is all but dead. Already retailers are devoting 2-3x more shelf space to Blu-ray than HD DVD.
 
NetFlix is going Blu-ray only.

http://netflix.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=265

With the industry now having picked a winner in the face-off between the two competing high- definition DVD formats, Netflix, Inc. (NASDAQ: NFLX), the world's largest online movie rental service, today said that it will move toward stocking high-def DVDs exclusively in the Blu-ray format.

Citing the decision by four of the six major movie studios to publish high-def DVD titles only in the Sony-developed Blu-ray format, Netflix said that as of now it will purchase only Blu-ray discs and will phase out by roughly year's end the alternative high-def format, HD DVD, developed by Toshiba.
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