Yea, you come back to me when OTA HD broadcasts are as varied as Cable or Dish Programming and as easy to set up. THEN the average consumer might have an interest in it.
Now the war is over wishfull thinkers please explain how blu will ever replace DVD.
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Yea, you come back to me when OTA HD broadcasts are as varied as Cable or Dish Programming and as easy to set up. THEN the average consumer might have an interest in it.
I'm not denying the market share -- but what I see when I walk into an electrical retail store is that it's dominated by impressively thin widescreen LCD TVs. If I look carefully I can see the HD Ready logo.
I don't disagree with that, but HDTV will dominate because of the form-factor, not because of the HD. HDTVs will replace SD on the time-scale that people replace their tellies because they break.
Broadcast how? The UK won't even complete analogue switch-off for another four years, and that's a switch to SD DVB, not HD. HD OTA is starting nationwide ... when? Sky and VM, well their current HD portfolio is pitiful. Sky Footie HD might be a driver, I'll give you that. IMO six years is optimistic, make it a decade and I might start to agree.
HD players will replace SD players on the time-scale that peoples SD players break. Then and only then might they start buying HD media, if it's not too expensive compared to DVD / or if DVD has been killed by the industry by then.
quest55720
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Ya, thanks to DirectTV. How many OTA channels do you get? I could get two..TWO.
That's great that DirectTV easily allows for an additional hookup but we weren't talking about that.
quest55720
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I get ABC,NBC,CBS,FOX,CW,4PBS stations,weather channell, and an outdoors channell all OTA. All the networks but CW are in HD. So I get over 10 stations OTA for the 24.99 yagi clone. It does a stellar job getting all those stations 25-30 miles away though a dense forest in northern minnesota.
quest55720
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In many countries, analogue TV services are being phased out soon, and most people faced with this are likely to upgrade to future proof HD ready sets (whether HD is what they are really looking for or not). Also the period for the majority to transition to HDTV will be about 6 years, just on the current sales rate, just because few SDTVs are being sold now.
Sky and the cable operators (eg.NTL) are doing limited HD now in UK. Within 2 years, there will me much more content, as HD will be important as a differentiator between TV providers to prevent them from switching. It will be mainly sport and films that will be initially broadcast in HD, but that is fine for most people. Anyway, the point I was making is that the lack of adequate HD broadcast, coupled with the fact that the vest majority of new TVs sold are HD ready, will mean that those people will seek to buy or rent HD movies in optical disk media format to suppliment their HD intake. There is therefore a far more compelling reason to buy or rent HD media now than there was to buy or rent VHS or DVD in the SDTV era. Now that the format war is over, sales should grow rapidly, rather than the contrived claim by some that HDTV, HD-DVD and BD formats are both dead and SDTV and DVD will rule for the next 5-10 years. They will probably survive for that time, but will not be the dominant format.
No, HD does not replace like for like. People will buy HD players when they decide they wish to play HD media not as a replacement for an DVD player to play DVD media. The player costs are being overemphasised by people with an agenda. The media cost the customer pays is the same. The player cost will come down to a level fairly soon to say £100-150 where a lot of people would see it as insignificant compared to the HDTV and movie cost they will be paying.
The main reason for HD player and media sales being so slow is the lack of a single standard, and the film studios adopting different standards to release movies in. Customers, (apart from AV enthusiasts and PS3 gamers) are waiting for the format war to be decided before committing to buy an HD player. Once Universal and Paramount switch to Blu-ray and people are assured that the movie player they buy will play the HD movies from all the major studios, then HD player and HD media sales will begin in earnest.
quest55720
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It must be different in Europe because here in the states new release blu/hd-dvd is 50% to 100% higher if you walk in to a store to buy depending when you buy. Release week you can get a dvd from 14.99 to 16.99 while blu/hd-dvd run 24.99 to 34.99. I am talking B&M were most people purchase stuff still.
The price is what the film studios set it at. Initially the media cost of BD will be higher, but the content royalties will be the same (unless the studios think they can extract a premium for HD). The film studios may also decide to set content royalties on DVD higher to cover the cost of ripping of DVD movies (which supposedly is a little more difficult on HD media). Since the royalties for the content is normally much bigger than the media cost, I would expect DVD and HD movie costs to be about the same in the long run.
Interesting point, I just saw a Sky Ad which to paraphrase the narrator, says 'To make your tv more than just a normal tv, you need Sky HD which is offering more programmes in High Definition'.
Its this sort of advertising that makes consumers aware of the differences between SD and HD. As Sky brings the price down to realistic levels (£300) is way too much, I expect more people to 'jump in'. I wonder if people will also start to want their DVD's in HD aswell...bear in mind that Sky has 8m subscribers in the UK, and hopes to have 10m by 2010.
Its this sort of advertising that makes consumers aware of the differences between SD and HD. As Sky brings the price down to realistic levels (£300) is way too much, I expect more people to 'jump in'. I wonder if people will also start to want their DVD's in HD aswell...bear in mind that Sky has 8m subscribers in the UK, and hopes to have 10m by 2010.
tongue_of_colicab
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Havnt read the thread so this is probably said already but the only way to replace DVD is by price. People dont care about quality, i've heard people who bought HDTV's and than said how awsome their regulair tv shows looked, which all are broadcasted in PAL here. Unless you have very bad eyesight PAL on your HD screen will look worse than on your SD screen.
So quality wont be the reason, price will. Your average joe isnt going to spend 25 euro's on a BR disk while the DVD is 20 or less if they dont see the difference anyway. Not to mention all the budget titels you have with DVD. Stores forcing out DVD because they can earn more on BR might help things though.
Price it will be. For most people the choice between a 50 to 70 euro player, and tons of cheap movies and a BR player of a minimum of 400 euro's and expensive movies would be a easy one.
So quality wont be the reason, price will. Your average joe isnt going to spend 25 euro's on a BR disk while the DVD is 20 or less if they dont see the difference anyway. Not to mention all the budget titels you have with DVD. Stores forcing out DVD because they can earn more on BR might help things though.
Price it will be. For most people the choice between a 50 to 70 euro player, and tons of cheap movies and a BR player of a minimum of 400 euro's and expensive movies would be a easy one.
Except people don't really need to buy or rent DVDs because there are hundreds of channels of SD quality content already there on cable and satellite. For those with HDTVs who want to watch HD movies on the other hand, buying or renting BD disks will be the main way of getting content at the moment.
quest55720
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It sucks there are so many bad providers out there. Atleast they are going to be forced to get off their asses thanks to direct. If you have a bad cable provider I can undstand the need to get a blu player for content right now. I am glad I am not forced in to that situation I can hold off till the quality and price of blu players get better.
Now, are we actually certain Blu-ray has 'won' the war?
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=10369
Looks to me like Blu-ray is doomed!
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=10369
Looks to me like Blu-ray is doomed!
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