Nintendo Announces Dual-Screen Portable

[jvd]

Hey london boy why can you responed to others but you an't answer m question ?

 

[V3]

Hey london boy why can you responed to others but you an't answer m question ?

Well, you're comparing it to PC screens, typically around 19"-23".

For desktop, you don't seriously think anyone would prefer 25 little 3" screens to make up their 19" monitor do they ? Well maybe you might, but I don't.

 

[V3]

If it had two 3d screens, don't you think a major feature like that would have been mentioned in the announcement? All they mentioned was the advantage of having two seperate 2d screens. Time will tell I guess, but it seemed pretty clear to me that they were talking about "just two GBA screens".

Yes I was dissapointed by that announcement, but according to the NOA interview, they still seems to be keeping somekind of secrets, this is Nintendo we're talking about afterall.

Its also possible they have one 3D screen and the other is just normal screen, which justify their choice of 2 LCD screen also.

Of course this is just speculation till they reveal everything. It still could end up just two normal LCD screens too. And innovation is elsewhere.

 

[jvd]

Hey london boy why can you responed to others but you an't answer m question ?

Well, you're comparing it to PC screens, typically around 19"-23".

For desktop, you don't seriously think anyone would prefer 25 little 3" screens to make up their 19" monitor do they ? Well maybe you might, but I don't.

Hah ha very funny .

I would rather have 2 3 inch screens than one 3 inch screen .

He still has yet to answer my question .

 

[London Geezer]

Hey london boy why can you responed to others but you an't answer m question ?

Well, you're comparing it to PC screens, typically around 19"-23".

For desktop, you don't seriously think anyone would prefer 25 little 3" screens to make up their 19" monitor do they ? Well maybe you might, but I don't.

Hah ha very funny .

I would rather have 2 3 inch screens than one 3 inch screen .

He still has yet to answer my question .

Jvd, how long have i been in this forum? Have you ever notived that i only come here when i'm at work (MON-FRI 9 to 5 GMT). I logged on for literally 5 seconds yesterday from a friend's house and didn't have time to read everything i missed like i usually do.
Chill out matey...

Right, to answer your question, PERSONALLY (and notice the capital) i would prefere a big widescreen display than 2 smaller displays.
Then if you think i'm wrong, tough, that's my opinion.
With a widescreen display you can do anything you can do with those 2 screens, with the benefit of not having a break in the middle.
Also, the 19" monitor issue was explained by V3. It's different sizes and different purposes.
If you think otherwise, cool by me, u're not going to convince me of the opposite.
Just chill, we're having a decent conversation, no need to get all worked up, jeeeez u're a mod too, u should know better...

 

[notAFanB]

If you can't see what the second screen is then go buy a duel monitor video card and get a game that supports it and see how great it is .

yes, JVD, dualmonitor PC support is slightly different from a handheld, or is it so hard to understand? In both use and content, it's just apples and bacon.

How is it diffrent ?

Please tell me ?

view angle mostly, for a handheld there is still room for the screen to get larger, wheas for widescreens there come a point where you might as well split them up into dual mons.

 

[jvd]

Hey london boy why can you responed to others but you an't answer m question ?

Well, you're comparing it to PC screens, typically around 19"-23".

For desktop, you don't seriously think anyone would prefer 25 little 3" screens to make up their 19" monitor do they ? Well maybe you might, but I don't.

Hah ha very funny .

I would rather have 2 3 inch screens than one 3 inch screen .

He still has yet to answer my question .

Jvd, how long have i been in this forum? Have you ever notived that i only come here when i'm at work (MON-FRI 9 to 5 GMT). I logged on for literally 5 seconds yesterday from a friend's house and didn't have time to read everything i missed like i usually do.
Chill out matey...

Right, to answer your question, PERSONALLY (and notice the capital) i would prefere a big widescreen display than 2 smaller displays.
Then if you think i'm wrong, tough, that's my opinion.
With a widescreen display you can do anything you can do with those 2 screens, with the benefit of not having a break in the middle.
Also, the 19" monitor issue was explained by V3. It's different sizes and different purposes.
If you think otherwise, cool by me, u're not going to convince me of the opposite.
Just chill, we're having a decent conversation, no need to get all worked up, jeeeez u're a mod too, u should know better...

I noticed that you responed to a post posted after my post . about 4 posts later and a day before i posted my response .

I don't buy v3s arguement . I would rather have 2 19 inch screens than 1 19 inch screen as the two screens offer me more viewing space than 1 screen

I can do alot more with a second 19 inch screen than I can do with just one .

Even if it is to just put menus and maps on it. That still gives me a full 19 inchs of the actual screen to play


With 1 wider screen lcd not only does the cost go up . But also the maps would take up room and so would other things thus reducing the actual game viewing area below that of a 3inch screen .

That coupled with the ideas for the second monitor that devs can come up for and the fact that your comment never one said in your personal opinion makes me feel that your just bashing something for the sake of bashing something. Reminds me of chap actually .

 

[jvd]

view angle mostly, for a handheld there is still room for the screen to get larger, wheas for widescreens there come a point where you might as well split them up into dual mons.

Cost is also a factor. For my little sister with her 9500pro i was able to get 2 17 inch monitors for 120$ . Thats 50 less than 1 19 inch screen . Now when she is surfing the web and playing a game . Or talking to people on aim and playing a game she can do that with out having to close out. Some games like her fav flight similator will use both screens .

Which looks much better than having it on one screen.

That and the fact that even one inch ona portable greatly increases the cost of a screen makes more sense for them to offer 2 screens

Even if the second screen is only for maps , inventory , health and what not . It will still take that clutter off the main screen. So that when you put it up to a bigger screen. Mabye a 4.5 you would actually see more of the game on the 3 inch than the 4.5

 

[notAFanB]

Even if the second screen is only for maps , inventory , health and what not . It will still take that clutter off the main screen. So that when you put it up to a bigger screen. Mabye a 4.5 you would actually see more of the game on the 3 inch than the 4.5

it's called a GBA AND ff:cc btw.

 

[jvd]

Even if the second screen is only for maps , inventory , health and what not . It will still take that clutter off the main screen. So that when you put it up to a bigger screen. Mabye a 4.5 you would actually see more of the game on the 3 inch than the 4.5

it's called a GBA AND ff:cc btw.

Yes and it seems to work quite well. So well in fact that it will work much better on the small screen.

 

[maskrider]

view angle mostly, for a handheld there is still room for the screen to get larger, wheas for widescreens there come a point where you might as well split them up into dual mons.

Cost is also a factor. For my little sister with her 9500pro i was able to get 2 17 inch monitors for 120$ . Thats 50 less than 1 19 inch screen . Now when she is surfing the web and playing a game . Or talking to people on aim and playing a game she can do that with out having to close out. Some games like her fav flight similator will use both screens .

Which looks much better than having it on one screen.

That and the fact that even one inch ona portable greatly increases the cost of a screen makes more sense for them to offer 2 screens

Even if the second screen is only for maps , inventory , health and what not . It will still take that clutter off the main screen. So that when you put it up to a bigger screen. Mabye a 4.5 you would actually see more of the game on the 3 inch than the 4.5

I will take a single bigger screen than 2 smaller screens, just like what I had done with my PC (I am using a 17" Wide LCD display which cost as much as two 15" 4:3 LCD displays at the time I buy it). I think that multi-screens are rather clumpsy for usual applications unless I am debugging a Windows program (I had used my PC in that mode for a few weeks).

For playing games, I'd rather see a bigger screen than 2 as having to look on the 2nd screen for status will seriously distract my attention if the game is intense.

 

[Fox5]

How would you control action on two different screens at once? If you have to push start or something to switch between them, you might as well have it all on one screen.
However, the 2nd screen does give an easy outlet for the extra power from the dual chips, rather than trying to balance it or just running idle till needed.

 

[Tagrineth]

I will take a single bigger screen than 2 smaller screens, just like what I had done with my PC (I am using a 17" Wide LCD display which cost as much as two 15" 4:3 LCD displays at the time I buy it). I think that multi-screens are rather clumpsy for usual applications unless I am debugging a Windows program (I had used my PC in that mode for a few weeks).

For playing games, I'd rather see a bigger screen than 2 as having to look on the 2nd screen for status will seriously distract my attention if the game is intense.

Couple things.

1. Overall screen real estate is MUCH more significant on a handheld. A 17" Wide LCD offers quite a bit less overall area than two 15" standard LCD's.

2. Small differences in pricing are magnified TREMENDOUSLY when the prices are small to begin with... and then magnified MORE when you realise you have to mass-produce.

3. If the game is that intense, you'll probably be keeping track of things like health in your HEAD rather than staring at numbers. Not only that, but having two small screens in your field of view... it's MUCH easier to see what's on one while looking at the other, than it is seeing what's on one 15" PC monitor while looking at the other.

 

[Ty]

I will take a single bigger screen than 2 smaller screens, just like what I had done with my PC (I am using a 17" Wide LCD display which cost as much as two 15" 4:3 LCD displays at the time I buy it). I think that multi-screens are rather clumpsy for usual applications unless I am debugging a Windows program (I had used my PC in that mode for a few weeks).

I think most people would. The same situation applies to Jumbotrons at stadiums. Who wouldn't want a single giant screen instead of all the smaller ones?

To jvd,

As for the cost argument weren't you earlier saying that Nintendo could shrink the GCN into a portable that wouldn't cost that much more than the current GB-SP? If my statement is accurate (and apologies if not!) my point then is that how can you use that argument against Nintendo using one big screen when you were disregarding it with the rumor of the GCN portable? The components for that would surely be *very* expensive relative to a single large screen for the DS.

 

[V3]

I don't buy v3s arguement . I would rather have 2 19 inch screens than 1 19 inch screen as the two screens offer me more viewing space than 1 screen

Look, no ones is arguing about bigger viewing area, we were arguing about how that same size viewing area is delivered.

You can have two 19" screens or you can have 50 small 3" screens, that's the argument.

We all support bigger viewing area, especially in handheld. Its just how they're delivered.

Would you be happy instead of Nintendo DS, Nintendo changes and go for Nintendo OS. giving you 8 small 0.5" screens instead of 2 bigger 3" screens ?

 

[maskrider]

Couple things.

1. Overall screen real estate is MUCH more significant on a handheld. A 17" Wide LCD offers quite a bit less overall area than two 15" standard LCD's.

I am responding to the PC argument with 2 smaller screens than one screen. And BTW, handhelds like GBA/GBA SP that has a very low resolution to begin with. The screen will not be that expensive.

2. Small differences in pricing are magnified TREMENDOUSLY when the prices are small to begin with... and then magnified MORE when you realise you have to mass-produce.

I would have been fired ages ago if I don't know about that. I can tell you that a guy in the industry was fired because of an US$0.01 surplus in the actual BOM.

3. If the game is that intense, you'll probably be keeping track of things like health in your HEAD rather than staring at numbers. Not only that, but having two small screens in your field of view... it's MUCH easier to see what's on one while looking at the other, than it is seeing what's on one 15" PC monitor while looking at the other.

Well, will you memorise the whole map ?

 

[Tagrineth]

Couple things.

1. Overall screen real estate is MUCH more significant on a handheld. A 17" Wide LCD offers quite a bit less overall area than two 15" standard LCD's.

I am responding to the PC argument with 2 smaller screens than one screen. And BTW, handhelds like GBA/GBA SP that has a very low resolution to begin with. The screen will not be that expensive.

2. Small differences in pricing are magnified TREMENDOUSLY when the prices are small to begin with... and then magnified MORE when you realise you have to mass-produce.

I would have been fired ages ago if I don't know about that. I can tell you that a guy in the industry was fired because of an US$0.01 surplus in the actual BOM.

This response applies to both of yours...

You say you understand how a small price difference can make a stunning difference?

Well, what if getting one wider screen costs 10 cents more than the two smaller screens together? What if you'd get the same (or even slightly greater!) viewing area with the two separate screens rather than the larger one? That is only a small difference, but then consider that these things will be mass produced, the screens are only one part of many, and they have to keep the pricing decent while maximising profits?

3. If the game is that intense, you'll probably be keeping track of things like health in your HEAD rather than staring at numbers. Not only that, but having two small screens in your field of view... it's MUCH easier to see what's on one while looking at the other, than it is seeing what's on one 15" PC monitor while looking at the other.

Well, will you memorise the whole map ?

No, but how is having a microscopic minimap in the corner of the screen in Metroid Fusion or Metroid Zero Mission easier to see than having a full-sized map on the other screen?

Even if your minimap is in the corner of the screen, you still have to shift your focus. And most games which make you pay attention to the map, DON'T HAVE CONSTANT ACTION.

Edit: That, and, I can usually navigate just fine in Castlevania: Symphony of the Night without the map now. ^_^ And I've only beat it five times...

 

[jvd]

As for the cost argument weren't you earlier saying that Nintendo could shrink the GCN into a portable that wouldn't cost that much more than the current GB-SP? If my statement is accurate (and apologies if not!) my point then is that how can you use that argument against Nintendo using one big screen when you were disregarding it with the rumor of the GCN portable? The components for that would surely be *very* expensive relative to a single large screen for the DS.

I said they could easily make it and price it against the psp mabye even lower priced and sell it for 100 or 150.

You can have two 19" screens or you can have 50 small 3" screens, that's the argument.

We all support bigger viewing area, especially in handheld. Its just how they're delivered.

Would you be happy instead of Nintendo DS, Nintendo changes and go for Nintendo OS. giving you 8 small 0.5" screens instead of 2 bigger 3" screens ?

I feel stupid for even talking to you .

Your examples are just plain retarted . We are talking about having 1 3 inch screen , 1 4.5 inch screen or 2 3 inch screens .

You then bring up 8 small .5 inch screens .

This is the dumbest thing i've heard from you yet v3.


I would rather have 2 3 inch screens than 1 4.5 inch screen.

Just like I have 2 21 inch monitors than 1 bigger monitor on my pc. Not only for cost reasons but because it gives me more space for things .

Just like when I play mario kart with my friends . I have a 50 inch tv yet we still hook up the second player on another 27 inch tv instead of spliting the 50 inch tv in to .

when we play 4 players the diffrence is even bigger as we have the 27 inch screen split in two and then the 50 inch tv split in to. Which gives everyone a bigger view than if we had the 50 inch split in 4 .

 

[passerby]

Update from gamesindustry.biz

Key publishers announce support for Nintendo DS
Rob Fahey 14:18 26/01/2004

While the crazy rumour of the day suggests that the system may have a 3D screen

Nintendo's new Dual Screen handheld console is set to receive third party software support from key Japanese publishers Konami and Namco, while leading western publisher EA has confirmed that it is evaluating the system.

According to a report in Nihon Keizai Shimbun, both Konami and Namco have confirmed their intentions to develop for the NDS, with a Namco spokesperson commenting that "we're not at the development stage yet, but we intend to support Nintendo DS."

Working with Nintendo on unusual hardware isn't a new thing for either of the companies, with Konami having recently produced the light-sensitive Game Boy Advance title Boktai: The Sun Is In Your Hand, while Namco created the drum controller for GameCube title Donkey Konga, which launched in Japan before Christmas.

Meanwhile, major western publisher Electronic Arts has confirmed to GamesIndustry.biz that it is evaluating the Nintendo DS, but has not yet reached a decision regarding whether to develop for it.

One of the most unusual rumours we've seen passed around about the NDS in the days following its announcement surfaced this morning, however - with several sites reporting that the handheld may be based on 3D screen technology from Sharp, which utilises two LCD panels at slightly different angles to create the illusion of depth in the image.

Although it's been reported that Nintendo has previously spoken to Sharp about integrating this technology into a game system, the suggestion that this is what Nintendo DS actually is seems a bit far fetched - not least because the console giant has already confirmed that the screens will be stacked vertically, and has talked about uses for the second screen such as showing different angles in a football game.

 

[London Geezer]

I am appalled you are a mod, jvd. I've said this already many times, and i'm not even the only one, but i will say it again. I am disgusted.

That coupled with the ideas for the second monitor that devs can come up for and the fact that your comment never one said in your personal opinion makes me feel that your just bashing something for the sake of bashing something. Reminds me of chap actually .

Really, i don't know what to say. I'm out of here. If you can't see the not-so-out-of-this-world points that V3 and I have, and all you can do is make comments on the people posting a different point of view from yours, then you do NOT deserve to be a mod. :|

See you around.


PS: And for god's sake, learn how to spell.