Next-Gen iPhone & iPhone Nano Speculation

Console API is "thinner" and more customized, and OS runs with less overhead and more control over memory management than on a general purpose OS. On the other hand, clock speeds of phone/tablet SoCs are already exceeding Vita's levels.

Though proportionally small, a market for high performance games does exist on iOS/mobile to which developers try to sell. Even the average Gameloft game tries to push the status quo; Modern Combat 3 looks the part in many ways. Shadowgun, .EPOCH, Rage, Need for Speed, Dark Meadow, etc.
 
The only thing that would make me hesitate to order right away is if there are LTE SKUs as rumored and the AT&T LTE SKU is different from the Verizon LTE SKU.

And which one falls back to HSPA+ outside the US and so on.
 
The only thing that would make me hesitate to order right away is if there are LTE SKUs as rumored and the AT&T LTE SKU is different from the Verizon LTE SKU.

And which one falls back to HSPA+ outside the US and so on.

I believe it is an world baseband now, so it doesn't matter.

The new chip should support all bands.
 
Do people here who own an iPad (or any tablet really) actually use the 3G feature? I never once used it on my first one, so the follow ups were all wifi only. The only time they leave the house is when traveling, but most airports have wifi anyway these days. A related question would be: how many have wifi hotspot enabled on their iPhone? (I haven't.)
 
Do people here who own an iPad (or any tablet really) actually use the 3G feature? I never once used it on my first one, so the follow ups were all wifi only. The only time they leave the house is when traveling, but most airports have wifi anyway these days. A related question would be: how many have wifi hotspot enabled on their iPhone? (I haven't.)

I figured that I could always let the Pad connect via the Phone. It works fine, but in reality, I have almost never actually found a use for it. LTE will be a bit more attractive (as long as my phone doesn't have it), but since I always carry my Phone around and since I always connect via WiFi anyway, I can't see myself paying much for anything more than WiFi connectivity.
I would much rather see the WiFi connection being able to take full advantage of available bandwidth.
 
Well I figure the 3G models will bring back a big chunk of the additional cost when you resell it.

I took a trip last week and at SFO, the United lounge gave you a password to use on the T-Mobile Wifi network. I could only use it on one device at a time.

Then at EWR, the lounge didn't lock out the Wifi network and anyone could get on, including the people eating at a food court right below the lounge. So the throughput was horrible.

That is where mobile data would be useful. Also overseas, using prepaid SIMs. A lot of hotels charge like $20 a day for Wifi and it's often crippled down to a few hundred kbps.

There are GPS dongles for the dock connector that you can plug into an iPod Touch or iPad. Those are $99 alone. So it may be worth $129 for the 3G or 4G models.
 
Well I figure the 3G models will bring back a big chunk of the additional cost when you resell it.

I took a trip last week and at SFO, the United lounge gave you a password to use on the T-Mobile Wifi network. I could only use it on one device at a time.

Then at EWR, the lounge didn't lock out the Wifi network and anyone could get on, including the people eating at a food court right below the lounge. So the throughput was horrible.

That is where mobile data would be useful. Also overseas, using prepaid SIMs. A lot of hotels charge like $20 a day for Wifi and it's often crippled down to a few hundred kbps.

There are GPS dongles for the dock connector that you can plug into an iPod Touch or iPad. Those are $99 alone. So it may be worth $129 for the 3G or 4G models.

That's a pretty poor reason because unless you're getting all your money back for that added expense and then some, you are still probably loosing out in the end.

Here's how I see it, for that extra $130 you pay, you could get 6-7 months of tethering from your wireless carrier. Keep in mind that you still have to pay for data when you buy a tablet with 3G/4G, and at the pricing plans AT&T and Verizon offers, it's a total waste, especially since it's tied to one device.

I learned my lesson when I bought the 3G version of the iPad 2 on a whim when I was originally planning on getting the WiFi version. I sold it about 4 months later when I realized I never actually used it.
 
Well it's a stretch but if you ever go overseas, there are plenty of prepaid data options, which are much cheaper than hotel wifi (often faster too).

The other thing is, for outdoor apps. the GPS and compass could prove useful. There could be some useful augmented reality apps. But it would be easier to take a 7-inch tablet than a 10-inch one.

I'm not sure if I will get a 3G/4G one. Will have to think about it.
 
I use my phone when I go out, so my iPad 2 is just for location specific access where I almost always find available WiFi.

I thought about my usage patterns ahead of time and bought the WiFi only version, and I haven't regretted it once.
 
I already own a iPhone with 3G plan that I carry with me all the time so if I were to buy an iPad it would be Wi-Fi only. The iPad 3 looks like it's going to be THE one to purchase just like the iPhone 4 was THE one to get compared to prior models.
 
wco81 said:
Then at EWR, the lounge didn't lock out the Wifi network and anyone could get on, including the people eating at a food court right below the lounge.
Damn, the EWR food court secret is out. ;)
 
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I probably won't get a new iPhone this year so if iPad 3 offers LTE, that might be an enticement. But it would be nice to know how the battery life is.

Thing is, the web store is probably going to be hammered as soon as you're able to order, so you may have to place the order before reviews are out.

How much is the iPhone tethering plan and can you turn it on and off month to month?
 
Not sure about existing data plan customers but new customers are required to get the 5GB data plan for tethering/mobile hotspot which costs $50. Existing customers may have a cheaper upgrade path.
 
There's been some speculation about "family data plans."

As tablet adoption grows and then you have devices like Vita, maybe carriers will wise up and realize few people are going to get individual data plans for each device.
 
There's been some speculation about "family data plans."

As tablet adoption grows and then you have devices like Vita, maybe carriers will wise up and realize few people are going to get individual data plans for each device.

The situation differs from country to country. I have to say the US carriers seem quite draconian, to the point where I'd suspect a cartel, or at least that the oligopoly situation/lack of government influence fosters a consumer hostile behavior.
 
There's been some speculation about "family data plans."

As tablet adoption grows and then you have devices like Vita, maybe carriers will wise up and realize few people are going to get individual data plans for each device.

I just wish when "shared" data plans come around, it's like $5/device and $10/GB with no outrageous "you must purchase at least 2GB per device" rules.
 
Well, looks more and more, that the iPad3 ( 2S? ) is going to be a Cortex A9 design, like the iPad2.

A picture of the logic board showed up on some Chinese Forum, and does not look to be faked ( or they did a good job at it ).

http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2012/02/ipad_3_logic_board.jpg

Referring to the SOC as A5X.

Cortex A9?

This is in line, with the identification numbers they used:

S5L8930X => A4 ( Single Core A8 ). A8 Serie
S5L8940X => A5 ( Dual Core A9 ). A9 Serie
S5L8945X => A5X ( Quad? Core A9 ). ? Serie

Given the fact that this same number also showed up on the boot screen, with a quad core threat setup, only strengths the basic idea, that Apple is probably going for a A9 Quad Core setup.

The Numbering already made the speculation rather close that this SOC, was not going to be a radical architectural change, like going to a A15 setup.

And this new "evidence" showing A5X, seems to indicate this again.

Dual Core?

Sure, nothing prevents Apple from releasing a Dual Core A5 "upgrade", with maybe a 1.4 a 1.5Ghz Dual Core setup.

But does it make sense to release, lets say, a 1.4 a 1.5Ghz A9, assuming they stick to something like 40nm, when you already have 1.3Ghz Quad Core's on 40nm?

The problem with the ARM design is, the higher you clock, the more you run into voltage problems. Unless they go to a smaller manufacturing process, and try 1.5Ghz+ ( on 32/28nm ), they will run into power problems.

Quad Core?

But, lets go back to the fact, that we have, that supports a possible Quad Core:

1. Current Market Examples:

* Nvidia Tegra 3 ( 40nm ): Quad Core A9 at 1.3Ghz ( Technically its a 5 core setup ).
* PS Vita ( 45nm ): Quad Core A9 at ??? Ghz

Please note that Samsung is the manufacture of that PS Vita there SOC. Is Samsung also not the one manufacturing the A5's for Apple?

In other words, if they can make the Vita's SOC, they are more then able to make Apple's A5X as a Quad core. As they already have the experience.

2. We have the BGR pictures showing possible Quad cores.

http://www.bgr.com/2012/02/01/ipad-3-photos-show-quad-core-processor-wi-fi-and-global-lte-options/

3. Don't have the link anymore, but there where also changes last year, showing a Quad Core profile.

Manufacturing process?

This is actually a bigger question. Is it going to be made at the same manufacturing process like the Tegra3 / PS Vita, or at a lower 32/28nm process.

The Tegra3 was released in December. The PS Vita was released in November.

The SOC on this released picture seem to be from November 2011. That is a lot of months from when Nivida & Sony started production on there Quad Cores.

In other words, it looks like Apple started mass production around the time, that the other started to bring out there 40/45nm based Quad Cores.

That begs the question: Is Apple able to use 32/28nm process because of the months difference, or did they also stick to 40nm ( stick to what works ).

Numbers Game?

One argument that i have seen people use time and time again. But the iPad/iPhone are plenty fast, there is no reason for Apple to go "high tech" on the CPU.

Yet ... Why did they even bother to include a SGX543MP2 in the iPad2. This was overkill in every sense of the word.

It took other Manufactures up to this year, to be able to catch up to the iPad2's GPU. This is something that is overlooked in those discussions. They where able to go from a SGX535 ( iPad1 ), to a SGX543 while doubling there GPU's performance. Yet, they decided to go overboard with a SGX543MP2.

Also, is a Quad Core really going overboard? We already have 2 manufactures at 40/45nm making Quad Cores. Its not that Apple is ahead of the curve if they release a Quad Core setup.

Heat Spreader:

What we also see on that picture, is that the Chip is not "naked" anymore, but seems to have a heat spreader on top of it.

If we look at the PSVita's SOC, it also has some kind of metal heat spreader over its SOC.

Makes me think more 45nm again...

A15?

With this constant numbering information, a A15 Dual Core looks less and less likly. A A15 Dual Core, by logic, will have been called S5L8950X, not S5L8945X. As it was another generation jump from the A9 S5L8940X.

Looks like Apple A6 SOC is reserved for the A15 in the future ( next year? ). The amount of Quad Core A15 is not for this year. Dual Core A15's are more Q3 / Q4 2012 it seems. Unless you also consider the Krait ( but that is a different ballgame ).

Conclusion:

My bet is, that we are going to see a Quad Core 1.3 a 1.4Ghz A9 based processor, with a possible SGX543MP4. In other words a similar same setup like the Vita.

What i'm unclear about, if its going to be at 40nm, or 32/28nm. That heat spreader makes me think more 45nm ( love to be wrong ).

In other words, this is my conclusion with the present evidence. And i stand by this until there is very compelling counter evidence, or until Apple said so them self on 7 March.

Try arguing your way out of this people ( will not take long for people to rip me a new one ). *hehe* :D
 
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