Next-Gen iPhone & iPhone Nano Speculation

That would make photostream very nice, then: not just wireless sync, but full-on mobile sync. Limited cellular data plans beware, though (unless I'm wrong again and it's WiFi only?)

The GLBench scores are great to see; I imagine Apple facilitated getting them out early (if I worked hard on a top product, I'd wouldn't want it kept a secret, either.) Looks like they delivered on their clock speed scale between products despite their poorly worded 7x graphics "of the previous iPhone". They apparently wanted to keep to the same scale for which they announced the iPad 2's 9x (comparing to the iPad's A4), and their claim of 7x lets people know that the iPhone 4S's performance isn't identical to the iPad 2.
 
ToTTenTranz said:
Steps to share on N8:

1 - press camera shutter key to enter camera mode
2 - press camera shutter key again to take picture, enters pic preview mode automatically
3 - press share button
4 - choose share site (facebook, picasa, etc)

Done.
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Too complicated. 100% serious. Compare it with:
1. Press the camera icon.
2. Press button to take picture.

(That and the fact that Nokia has given up on the US market years ago.)

Make fun of it as much as you want, many of you have absolutely no idea how complicated this all is when you don't understand the difference between the Internet, a browser, the Picasa website, the Picasa software, mail on a browser, a local mail program, double click, single click and right click. (See why Apple's iPad was a revolution? Windows tablets didn't do away with any of that...)

It's not that people are stupid, it's just that they don't care. I've explained all those difference many times and they DO understand it then. But 2 weeks later it's all gone again, just like I will forget the specs of iteration 100 of most Android phones because I don't care either. :)
 
silent_guy said:
Too complicated. 100% serious. Compare it with:
1. Press the camera icon.
2. Press button to take picture.

(That and the fact that Nokia has given up on the US market years ago.)

Make fun of it as much as you want (...)
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So with the iphone, you cannot choose either to share the photo or not? You have to share all the photos you take with the phone?

If I accidentally take a picture of a turd (hey, accidents happen!), the iphone sends the turd automatically to my facebook account?


(you said I could make fun of it..)


silent_guy said:
(...), many of you have absolutely no idea how complicated this all is when you don't understand the difference between the Internet, a browser, the Picasa website, the Picasa software, mail on a browser, a local mail program, double click, single click and right click. (See why Apple's iPad was a revolution? Windows tablets didn't do away with any of that...)
It's not that people are stupid, it's just that they don't care. I've explained all those difference many times and they DO understand it then. But 2 weeks later it's all gone again, just like I will forget the specs of iteration 100 of most Android phones because I don't care either. :)
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I don't see how that relates to the N8's 4-step shoot-and-share method.. what concepts do non-tech-savvy people need to learn in order to comply with those steps?
 
ToTTenTranz said:
So with the iphone, you cannot choose either to share the photo or not? You have to share all the photos you take with the phone?
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It gets shared with your other devices (iPad, iPhoto etc.) It's still not ideal, but getting stuff from the device to her computer has always been the biggest issue. After that, I take over with remote login. :)

If I accidentally take a picture of a turd (hey, accidents happen!), the iphone sends the turd automatically to my facebook account?
(you said I could make fun of it..)
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Valid point, fair is fair.
Except that, AFAIK, it doesn't share yet to Facebook etc. It shares between your own personal devices instead. That said, the turd case is something I hope they will solve eventually.

I don't see how that relates to the N8's 4-step shoot-and-share method.. what concepts do non-tech-savvy people need to learn in order to comply with those steps?
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For one: you have to do it for all pictures individually (at least how you described it.)
For two: you need to remember to do it.

Don't underestimate the barrier of one additional click/action. Amazon with one-click (and Apple with iTunes) learned that very early on.

Initially I hoped to have fixed the photo upload problem by installing an EyeFi. It's wonderful when it works, but you need to keep the camera powered on the study desk next to the computer on to make it do its magic. One hurdle too much.
 
iCloud will probably let you customize your sync options, and the pictures you don't like and erase from the phone from which you captured it can probably erase it from the other devices. (I should stop guessing and research some of the details next time I get the chance.)
 
silent_guy said:
It gets shared with your other devices (iPad, iPhoto etc.) It's still not ideal, but getting stuff from the device to her computer has always been the biggest issue. After that, I take over with remote login. :)
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wait, what? You do realize I could ask my mother to just plug in the phone (she is smart enough to find the correct hole and cable to insert there) and do everything remotely as well, right?
 
hoho said:
wait, what? You do realize I could ask my mother to just plug in the phone (she is smart enough to find the correct hole and cable to insert there) and do everything remotely as well, right?
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Going by the previous iPad 2 commercials where parents can stream live video of their children to grandparents through FaceTime, Apple's use case for grandparents may not be as much simplifying them getting photos on their computers, but them being able to see pictures family members took easily. For example, parents take pictures of their children and the grandparents merely have to click Photos on their iPad and it's there. Or even better, they are sitting on their couch and just need to go to their AppleTV and click Photos and it's there in a medium (TV) that they easily understand, flipping through them with a remote control. No need for email or signing in/up for websites or computers. Just sitting on their couch with a remote control. Of course you'd have to have set up the AppleTV for them before hand, but after setup use is simpler.
 
hoho said:
wait, what? You do realize I could ask my mother to just plug in the phone (she is smart enough to find the correct hole and cable to insert there) and do everything remotely as well, right?
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You're thinking like a youngster (and insulting her intelligence in the process.)

She has a Canon SD1100 camera right now. She knows full well where the mini-USB cable needs to be plugged in, but it's a damn small connector which makes it difficult to see the correct orientation with tired eyes. And it's covered with a nasty piece of hard plastic that difficult to pry open with healthy hands, let alone 70y old ones. It also requires plugging in the USB cable into the computer: a large 10y old desktop that stands on the ground under the table, which makes it hard to get to. (Yes, you could keep the cable hanging out there at all times, but that's terribly untidy, which bothers her more than not being able to transfer pictures.) The alternative of removing the SD card is just as cumbersome.

And if all that comes together, we'd still have to synchronize over the phone.

The current solution is much simpler: I gave her a large enough SSD card to store months worth of pictures and fly over here every once in a while to visit and copy over everything to her PC etc. :)

It makes me laugh: All these limitations sound even more like the alleged fake arguments of Totz iPhone friend having an Android, but all this based on many years of experience. You guys are 100% clueless about what user-friendliness means for elderly. I can't blame you if you haven't experienced it yourself first hand.

(BTW: I forgot earlier: it will be her second Apple device, she has an iPad already. So that makes iCould etc. even better.)
 
Am I the only one having hard time figuring out what exactly has any of the apple products got to do when you set things up so that the camera can store images for a few months and then just do everything for her once you visit her? Why exactly can't be the exact same thing be done with any other piece of hardware?
 
hoho said:
Am I the only one having hard time figuring out what exactly has any of the apple products got to do when you set things up so that the camera can store images for a few months and then just do everything for her once you visit her? Why exactly can't be the exact same thing be done with any other piece of hardware?
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The whole point is that this whole setup can be ditched once and for all. Grandparent don't want to wait for 4 months.
 
ToTTenTranz said:
Now let's be serious here: I won't condone a preference.
I will condone using the stupidest (and false) arguments on earth in order to justify a company's decision, out of pure fanaticism (again, the blog dude).
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Maybe it's because it's 5:39 AM here, but I think you have the meaning of condone backwards.
 
Not a speculation anymore, but grandma's habits (sorry silent_guy) and the rest aren't exactly on topic either....

Anand's preliminary iPhone4S results:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4951/...rks-800mhz-a5-slightly-slower-gpu-than-ipad-2

1M units sold in a day:

http://www.fudzilla.com/mobiles/item/24421-apple-sells-million-iphone-4s-in-a-day

http://www.fudzilla.com/mobiles/item/24420-benchmarks-reveal-800mhz-processor-in-iphone-4s

I'm curious to see if overclocking will be possible on 4S and how it behaves with frequencies set to max 1GHz/250MHz.
 
Apple still have the mindshare built-up by three successful generations of iPhones so seeing such huge numbers of pre-orders for the iP4S is no surprise. Android phones are still very much playing catch-up in the market but the pace of advance is now very high and, for the first time the high-end Android devices will have considerably more processing power than the top end iPhone (3D capabilities aside) - the SGSII has 50% more CPU power than the iPhone. Will the stronger GPU in the iPhone plus the mindshare be enough to overcome this shortfall? I'd tend to doubt it.

I can't see any way in which this won't adversely impact iPhone sales in the longer term. The iPhone may have the cachet of being considered the best device for now but, once people compare this to the new high-end Android phones which are flooding the market, this will inevitably change. Although of a high-resolution, the 3.5" screen just looks very small in comparison to all the 4"+ Android phones now available and the Atrix I recently bought quite cheaply now has a better specification in most respects than Apple's yet to be released 'halo' device.

I can only assume that the iP4S is a stopgap device which will be replaced by a more powerful iP5 in 6 months or so because it will really look quite unimpressive compared to the forthcoming 'ultra' phones with 720p screens such as the Nexus Prime and the LG device which have been announced.

It will also be interesting to see what ICS brings to the Android playing field. Android is still catching up with iOS in many respects but ICS ought to be a big leap forward over Gingerbread after the distraction of Honeycomb.
 
I personally don't doubt that iPhone sales will see an impact in the future, but I can't see Apple's smart-phone revenues to reduce at the same time. In order for the smart-phone market to grow we need a big bulk of cheaper mainstream smart-phones which will blow the sales figures up like no tomorrow. Here's the question if Apple decides to stick to its current strategy or adjust it to market trends or expand to other markets etc.
 
Being that the variation among phone CPUs is still relatively small and their impact on the user experience tends to be limited anyway, graphics can't be put aside when considering processing. The 4S is the clear leader there.

The display is the main selling point for which Apple is losing their advantage now that 720p is bringing "retina" class pixel density to 4.5" screens.
 
I agree, but for some reason, I just can't see Apple being happy to move just into the mid-level and mainstream phone market though that is where plenty of money can be made. iPhone contracts remain ridiculously expensive here in the UK in comparison to those of high-end Android devices and I think there is plenty of money still to be for them to make at the higher-end of the market. I'm just not convinced that the iP4S has enough going for it to last a whole year against its Android competition.

I suppose there is always the possibility that Apple think a larger-screened iPhone would eat into their lucrative iPad sales?
 
Mariner said:
Apple still have the mindshare built-up by three successful generations of iPhones so seeing such huge numbers of pre-orders for the iP4S is no surprise. Android phones are still very much playing catch-up in the market but the pace of advance is now very high and, for the first time the high-end Android devices will have considerably more processing power than the top end iPhone (3D capabilities aside) - the SGSII has 50% more CPU power than the iPhone. Will the stronger GPU in the iPhone plus the mindshare be enough to overcome this shortfall? I'd tend to doubt it.
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Well as Anand's SunSpider results for the iPhone 3GS show, an OS update can improve the processing performance by 2x making it competitive with some phones that have much faster CPUs. There are clearly gains to be had by spending time optimizing the few models you have to support. As John Carmack has mentioned before, iOS is not lightweight by any means and could certainly use work in reducing overhead.

Mariner said:
I suppose there is always the possibility that Apple think a larger-screened iPhone would eat into their lucrative iPad sales?
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Just like iPhone sales are eating into iPod sales and iPad sales potentially eat into Mac sales, I think Apple is quite aware that it's preferable that you're eating your own pie rather than someone else eating it. I don't think it's concern about iPad sales. They just truly believe 3.5" is optimal for most of the market and will continue using it until the market shifts. The question is are we there yet.
 
Mariner said:
I agree, but for some reason, I just can't see Apple being happy to move just into the mid-level and mainstream phone market though that is where plenty of money can be made. iPhone contracts remain ridiculously expensive here in the UK in comparison to those of high-end Android devices and I think there is plenty of money still to be for them to make at the higher-end of the market. I'm just not convinced that the iP4S has enough going for it to last a whole year against its Android competition.
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Thinking that screen size/display resolution is the only thing that counts isn't covering the entire aspect of a smart-phone as a device either. If I'd buy a smart-phone today I'd probably go for something like the SGS2; anything bigger in screen size wouldn't do for me and the price/performance ratio would be excellent too.

Just for the record's sake if you take a smart-phone SoC and drive it up to 720p resolutions there will be an impact in terms of overall performance. So yes 720p are a nice addition for those who want bigger smart-phones and screens but it also won't come for free either.

I suppose there is always the possibility that Apple think a larger-screened iPhone would eat into their lucrative iPad sales?
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I'd suppose that the 4S will stick give or take a year around; next spring looks like a iPad3 with a 2048*1536 display. Doesn't that conflict somewhat with your above question? It's the iPad2's resolution that is actually too low IMHO and not the iPhone4 or 4S in that regard. 1024 over a 10" screen are boring.

However most of the tablets used bigger resolutions than the iPad1 and 2; was that good enough to impair any of Apple's sales?

Apple needs fierce competition not in the high end but in the mainstream and lower end parts of the markets; it's the only way for the competition to gain market share and if necessary build themselves upwards from there. Amazon Fire Kindle is a nice case example in that regard and I hope we'll see more and more such pleasant surprises in the foreseeable future.
 
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