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Played around with that app. a bit. I think it only works at home and only certain channels streamed.
I'm more interested in a DVR solution, so that I can view the programming on one of my big screens.
has the 3gigs for the OS been confirmed?
I can't see how DVRing and recording Netflix and such content is legal when they distribute content intended for one time use. You can't record such content on any other TV set top box from an official distributor. Neither for any PPV content.
Either I'm missing something or MS is jumping through a lot of legal loopholes everyone here understands but me.
Doing these things through your PC is one thing, but recording movies using a MS box product that is intended for one-time viewing sounds extraordinary and too much so. If it has DVR capabilities it sounds more like it will be compatible with its own network of distribution or will have to comply with the rules of the network it wants to be compatible with.
I can't see how DVRing and recording Netflix and such content is legal when they distribute content intended for one time use. You can't record such content on any other TV set top box from an official distributor. Neither for any PPV content.
Either I'm missing something or MS is jumping through a lot of legal loopholes everyone here understands but me.
Doing these things through your PC is one thing, but recording movies using a MS box product that is intended for one-time viewing sounds extraordinary and too much so. If it has DVR capabilities it sounds more like it will be compatible with its own network of distribution or will have to comply with the rules of the network it wants to be compatible with.
Not to mention CableCard would be a bad idea for those with Satellite service, so you are limiting your audience if you only had a cable card solution.
This whole DVR thing seems over complicated, unless the HDMI in with an IR blaster maybe would work. I don't know, I like my cable card Ceton PCI-E card, and it was nice to drop the cable box fees, but what is the best solution with a console. I used to use an HD-PVR with an IR blaster to record all my content, but this was usually not without channel misses and later an angry spouse.
If the Durango was a STB you would have to develop versions for different providers right? MS was working with ATI at one point on a DirecTV USB tuner, but stopped development on that in what 2009?
HDMI In makes some sense, but not without a way to switch channels on the box. IR blaster would work even if it is not the most elegant solution. HDMI CEC is not widely used correct? This would also limit how many channels you can record at once naturally, unless you keep a separate DVR and the Xbox just controls it in some fashion.
However, what would make more sense is working with providers to have an Xbox tuner that would also play games. You have to work with each provider here, so rollout would be phased I am sure. HDMI In from this box to the Durango with communication between the two. (In this solution I would still like the STB Xbox to stream 720 games, so I can use it as an extender for both media and full games without the expense of having a Durango in every room of the house - ugh but not if I have to rent them from the cable co.)
In my mind it would be a great feature to have an extender, even if it is just an improved 360SS with STB features - all with the ability to stream 720 games with no loss in control speed.
Sorry for the messy post - was thinking about all this earlier and had more thoughts while typo-ing.![]()
What is the idea?
TVBOX --> Reciever --> 720 --> Display
Adding the 720 there would introduce some challenges with audio sync afaik unless there is a way to do double Lip Sync.
TVBOX --> 720 --> Reciever --> Display
Would be a cool feature since it could show the TV signal in PiP but i am not sure it would be a killer feature. What is you suggestion?
TV-Box ------> Receiver ------> Xbox ------> Display
/______________________\
*Left: HDMI Input
*Right: HTMI Output
My receiver has independent optical input channels so I was going to pipe the sound from the Xbox backwards through to the receiver using optical. It's a little more complicated but it is as good as the other options. I figure it won't add too much latency in any case.
PlayOn PlayLater is legal. OTA broadcasts were considered one-time viewing as well. No difference here. BTW HP announced at CES their Pocket Playlist that came bundled with PlayLater. Personally I would rather have this instead of my Xbox passing-thru a DVR I don't have or ever intend to buy.
Tommy McClain
The xbox wouldn't be doing the recording, it would be controlling the DVR which *is* doing the recording and taking the video output of said STB as in input to overlay/display through the OS. There would be no additional permission needed as an HDMI passthrough AFAIK, the Logitech google TV actually did this already. What may cause some contention is if the the xbox were to stream this content to other devices in the home, i know that did cause some problems for cable providers when they came out with their iPad streaming apps.
I don't believe there will be a tuner. Its too messy with cable companies etc. MS see the future in IPTV, this is how programs will be streamed to the Xbox. Its absolutely no point supporting a legacy system such as tuners and the like. Besides, MS want to push Kinect integration and targeted advertising using NUAds. Hence, the rumour of Kinect being mandatory. Interactive IPTV streamed through the Xbox + Smartglass on your tablet is where MS want to go.
Tuners don't involve companies besides telling them to pair a CableCard with a box. IPTV would be far messier as you have to deal with each and every provider, and besides, it doesn't exist outside of AT&T.
CableCard, as imperfect as it is, is ready now. Microsoft can make deals for IPTV so that Durango can support it in the future, but there's no point in advertising hopes (remember the 360 was supposed to do IPTV after an announcement by Bill Gates, it never really did). Here's the 5-year old story demonstrating how hoping and praying won't get you very far: http://news.cnet.com/Microsoft-Xbox-360-IPTV-still-coming--eventually/2100-1041_3-6216082.html
In fact, if IPTV were viable in the US right now, Google wouldn't have to deal with HDMI in crap, Apple would support it in the Apple TV, and TV manufacturers would start officially support it. It's not as easy as it seems.
the event is invite only for employees behind closed doors.Microsoft is having an event tomorrow. There is a rumor that MS will unveil xbox 720 to members of the press. Does anyone know what time it will begin?
I don't see any reason to think Microsoft wants to build a DVR box, and with HDMI in why would they bother? You can connect your DVR to it. I imagine their goals are the same as GoogleTV/TVii -- expanding live tv with their servicesI think to do it, you have to do it all within MS and not rely on ATT for example. This would be a huge task, and you would have to repeat the process for other regions.
Is this a viable business model? HDMI "In" would only let you record one channel at a time, and an IR blaster would most likely be needed.
You can build a DVR box, but unless you include CableCard, Dish, DirecTV, etc tuning options. You are not going to hit the larger market that you want.
I can see doing this by re-inventing the wheel and starting with each network directly. Could be a slower process to accomplish, but maybe it would let you purchase just the channels you want as a consumer. I see lots of options, none of them exactly perfect for sure. Would this new LA office be up to the challenge of making IPTV work on a pure MS level?
I don't see any reason to think Microsoft wants to build a DVR box, and with HDMI in why would they bother? You can connect your DVR to it. I imagine their goals are the same as GoogleTV/TVii -- expanding live tv with their services