News & Rumors: Xbox One (codename Durango)

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This is most peculiar and contradicts everything I know about HDMI. HDMI is supposedly 100% digital and shouldn't ever suffer the type of signal degradation issues common to analogue cables.
Digital is never really digital in reality except on a logical level, particularly when dealing with very high-speed signalling. It's not unheard of for cable signalling to actually use multiple voltage levels, Gbit ethernet does that I believe, not sure about hdmi. In any case, noise/interference, cable impedance and so on is definitely a factor at the multi-Gbps speeds HDMI works at, more so if you have a long or cheap cable with poor shielding. When you start going even faster, like with thunderbolt, you even need active transcievers in the cable itself to compensate for the limitations of copper conductors. If the receiver can't distinguish reliably between the various signalling levels you will get errors in the transmitted data of course, even though it's digital data being transmitted...

I'm surprised a cable included with the system would be causing problems though, that's really strange. Manufacturing defect perhaps, or maybe a seating issue which replugging would have solved...?
 
Although signal degradation can occur, the nature of manifest problems should be restricted to a certain set working on the data structure of the transmitted signal. Unlike an analogue signal with noise adding to various component strengths, a digital signal will suffer wholesale bit changes with noise, which will result in either dropped information or bit changes in RBG values leading to crazy pixel noise. There's no clear way that I can see that a digital signal can suffer a percent shift in green component due to cable. That'd require the packaged data to have the green component of a 24 bit colour reference have a bit shift up or a uniform value added. There's no mechanic for that to happen consistently in a copper cable. It's the sort of issue I'd expect in a bugged decoder, but I can't see how a cable can add a uniform colour shift to an RGB signal (or YCrCb for that matter).
 
Just a follow up. The Bone has been great since the HDMI cable replacement. Watching TV through it is actually pretty cool. I like that it has some DVR like features (pause (or "pores" in bkilian's case :LOL:), skip back, fast forward/rewind, etc), all controllable with voice.
 
Just a follow up. The Bone has been great since the HDMI cable replacement. Watching TV through it is actually pretty cool. I like that it has some DVR like features (pause (or "pores" in bkilian's case :LOL:), skip back, fast forward/rewind, etc), all controllable with voice.

How much video does it cache if you pause? I imagine it can only be so many minutes behind the live broadcast?
 
There's no clear way that I can see that a digital signal can suffer a percent shift in green component due to cable. That'd require the packaged data to have the green component of a 24 bit colour reference have a bit shift up or a uniform value added. There's no mechanic for that to happen consistently in a copper cable. It's the sort of issue I'd expect in a bugged decoder, but I can't see how a cable can add a uniform colour shift to an RGB signal (or YCrCb for that matter).
This exactly. Accepting that there are still plenty of issues with HDMI working to its fullest potential between two devices, and TVs do seem to be the most common item of equipment at fault, I simply can't fathom how a defective HDMI cable could produce a consistent visual aberration.
 
Well DSoup, if you'd like I'll send you my HDMI cable and you can see for yourself.
I believe you, what I'm saying is if both devices are following the HDMI specifications you shouldn't be experiencing this.

Remote diagnosis is terrible but if the signal is leaving the sending device clean and being mangled by the cable (I wonder if there are HDMI signal testers?) then the TV really should be detecting this and not trying to display it. In a ideal world you would get a message saying your cable is damaged but I don't know many devices that do this - mostly you would just get a blank screen or null input.

I would be fascinated to find out what is going wrong with that combination of devices and that particular cable! The problem may not be reproducible with different equipment.
 
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Really? I didn't think the X1 was supposed to be able to do that. I guess you can't control the full DVR functionality though.

correct you need to select your recording first and during playback you then get full control, of the play,pause,ff,rw skip etc.

Voice control of my entertainment system has turned out to be a pretty awesome feature imo, I am spoiled now when I go into the other rooms with a tv and I start talking to the system and nothing happens. :p

mine is with directv dvr so I imagine eventually they could possibly add the dvr list to the video Guide? As a per provider feature maybe but would be a lot of boxes to configure for.

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oh it does pause and play live tv also through DVR
 
Scott, you aren't using the TV In feature?

Haven't paid for tv in four years now, and not looking back. I'll stick with Netflix and other streaming services. Kind of miss being able to watch live sports, but my bank account reminds me it was a good decision.
 
Haven't paid for tv in four years now, and not looking back. I'll stick with Netflix and other streaming services. Kind of miss being able to watch live sports, but my bank account reminds me it was a good decision.
Actually costs me $5 a month _less_ to get internet and TV with my cable than just the internet alone.
 
Actually costs me $5 a month _less_ to get internet and TV with my cable than just the internet alone.

Same here. I did it for local NFL and Sunday night games. Of course it is a SD cable box and a crappy collection of channels. I'll go back to being cable-less again when he deal is over. My family spends 97% of TV watching on Netflix and Hulu. My kids hardly know what live TV is and are fascinated by commercials and often try to pause it.
 
Really? I didn't think the X1 was supposed to be able to do that. I guess you can't control the full DVR functionality though.

Two aspects I haven't seen integrated is pulling up the DVR List if it's not defined as a separate channel and also setting a show to record. You can skip forward/backward, progressive fast forward or rewind, pause, play. You can switch channels by affiliate name (ABC/NBC/CBS or by call sign WKYC/WEWS/WOIO). You can also switch channels on the guide by show name (DailyShow, The Hunger Games) and if there are two or more shows by the same name you then select by "item number" as it will put up yellow text showing Item 1, Item 2, Item 3 ... Item N.

What I'd like to see them offer:
Discrete Codes for power on and off. (Not toggle power)
Switch channels via channel number (1055, 1128, 1401)
Integrate STB DVR List and Record functions.
Learn custom IR Codes using Kinect Sensor.
Custom IR macros by Kinect Voice.
Enable XboxOne to control more IR devices (ala Harmony replacement)
Custom dashboard navigation by Kinect Voice.
 
Discrete Codes for power on and off. (Not toggle power).
You may be surprised at the number of devices that don't have IR codes for on and off and only a power state toggle. If only they'd known all those years ago!!
 
You may be surprised at the number of devices that don't have IR codes for on and off and only a power state toggle. If only they'd known all those years ago!!

Oh I'm not surprised. For those that do have discrete codes they should be used instead. I used to do JP1/1.2 programming of IR Remotes and custom firmwares in my spare time (RDFs, IRScope, RemoteMaster, KeyMaster, DecodeIR, etc).
 
New update is going to be released today -they will be updating the dashboard and stuff via small updates, til the next Spring, when the first truly major update will be published (it seems to be a huge update, too many great games coming out afterwards...)-.

This update addresses the following:

Addresses SmartGlass issues for some users when coming in and out of connected standby
Addresses multiplayer issues for some users when re-joining games
Addresses issues with inconsistent notifications for some users
Addresses dashboard performance for some users
Offers improvements for Xbox One’s TV, system update, and content update services for scaling over time
Updated wireless networking driver to improve connectivity issues for some users

http://www.ausgamers.com/news/read/...re-update-address-smartglass-dashboard-issues
 
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