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Well, I know flops won't win, but it is not only the flop issue, it is about "core" gamers. But maybe I'm overreacting.
For example, I prefer Xbox IPs, but now, PS4 looks "better" for me, in a pure gaming scenario.
I guess all this "leaks" are not making anything good for MS. But I know it is too soon to judge next gen consoles.
EDIT: Back on-topic... can we expect new leaks for Durango?
And what is the consensus about the "Data Move Engine"?
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Will there be enough difference in power for the multiplatform publishers to optimize for the more powerful system?
Sony will have some showcase exclusives like Uncharted.
But unless COD and GTA and other big multiplatform games look a lot better on one system, it won't swing sales.
Sony will have some showcase exclusives like Uncharted.
But unless COD and GTA and other big multiplatform games look a lot better on one system, it won't swing sales.
Ok, but what about 1080p vs 720p*? for "non-gamer" people it doesn't affect sales, but for "core gamers" it can be a selling point.
*To be clear, I'm not saying that PS4 = 1080p and Next Xbox= 720p, just a hypothetical situation.
They're not making them any good , but what can they do ?
To be honest i believe they leaked the specs themselves ,to get over with it and go on with the games .
Problem is they underestimated their antagonist and underspeced their machine .
I think this generation is a flip-flop of last gen processor-wise.
I think MS went for a CPU-centric machine and Sony a GPU-centric machine.
This is in line with what each platform will be focusing on. Next Xbox will presumably focus on CPU-intensive processes (i.e., Kinect, multitasking, AI, etc.). PS4 will presumably focus on GPU-instensive processes (i.e., graphics, animation, physics simulation, etc.).
That being said, there will be logic in each that affords flexibility when needed.
I believe the 4 CU block on the GPU (specialized for GPGPU functionality) primarily represents this flexibility for Sony.
As for Microsoft, I believe beefed up (or additional) SIMD FPUs on the Jaguar CPU side primarily represents this flexibility.
To add to this hypothesis, each system has a memory architecture that is either biased towards making efficient use of the CPU (Microsoft with a large pool of slower DDR3 being balanced with a small pool of fast, extremely-low-latency, coherent ESRAM and DMEs) or the GPU (Sony with a high-bandwidth GDDR5 UMA pool).
I think the design intent for both system is pretty clear here. Knowing this, it is pretty safe to say that the Durango's "special sauce" is beefed-up (or additional) SIMD FPUs on the CPU side.
What do you guys think?
I think MS went for a CPU-centric machine and Sony a GPU-centric machine.
This is in line with what each platform will be focusing on. Next Xbox will presumably focus on CPU-intensive processes (i.e., Kinect, multitasking, AI, etc.). PS4 will presumably focus on GPU-instensive processes (i.e., graphics, animation, physics simulation, etc.).
That being said, there will be logic in each that affords flexibility when needed.
I believe the 4 CU block on the GPU (specialized for GPGPU functionality) primarily represents this flexibility for Sony.
As for Microsoft, I believe beefed up (or additional) SIMD FPUs on the Jaguar CPU side primarily represents this flexibility.
To add to this hypothesis, each system has a memory architecture that is either biased towards making efficient use of the CPU (Microsoft with a large pool of slower DDR3 being balanced with a small pool of fast, extremely-low-latency, coherent ESRAM and DMEs) or the GPU (Sony with a high-bandwidth GDDR5 UMA pool).
I think the design intent for both system is pretty clear here. Knowing this, it is pretty safe to say that the Durango's "special sauce" is beefed-up (or additional) SIMD FPUs on the CPU side.
What do you guys think?
this was just posted on gaf
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=47108869&postcount=6487
nothing we didnt expect probably but still cool.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=47108869&postcount=6487
nothing we didnt expect probably but still cool.
Silent_Buddha
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Well at least a somewhat reliable confirmation of a 1080p camera in Kinect 2 is pretty interesting. I'm more interested in what resolution the depth camera will be running in, however.
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SB
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SB
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Oh the irony...
Earlier today, I had a meeting with some folks from microsoft adjourned because Lynk just refused to work.
But the next Xbox coming with Lync?
Unless Microsoft will be selling Office for Xbox too, I don't see the point.
(As if the main sales guy would ever get privileged information from the next xbox..)
Earlier today, I had a meeting with some folks from microsoft adjourned because Lynk just refused to work.
But the next Xbox coming with Lync?
Unless Microsoft will be selling Office for Xbox too, I don't see the point.
(As if the main sales guy would ever get privileged information from the next xbox..)
Silent_Buddha
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That would, interestingly enough, make the next Xbox that much more attractive for boardrooms. As it would theoretically never fail to work. And you have the side benefit of being able to play games in the boardroom on your breaks.
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SB
I know I will be eviscerated by saying this, but we need to stop thinking of the next Xbox as just a games console (which even the current 360 isn't anymore), and see it as the general purpose living room PC that just happens to play games. It sounds terrible, but when you push that kind of marketing, Microsoft has the ability to sell a lot more of them if it's where you rent movies, watch TV, listen to music, video chat, etc... all of the stuff the current 360 can do but sucks up so much power and not able to multi-task while doing it. Plus, the more you sell, the cheaper components are.
Yeah I can see now that the battle for the living room, which is one of the reasons which brought MS into consoles, is now joined not only by set top boxes but tablets and phones that link wirelessly to your big screen.
Especially if the $60 games business model of the console becomes growth-limited, it will become crucial to brunt the threat that mobile devices pose.
Especially if the $60 games business model of the console becomes growth-limited, it will become crucial to brunt the threat that mobile devices pose.
Surely it's more realistic that the 360 will come with Skype (heavily integrated) and Skype will seamlessly interface with Lync clients. i.e. two different front ends for the same underlying communications system.
The new edge online article actually seems to be casting some doubt over Microsoft using an AMD GPU:
What are the chances of Microsoft actually going with a PowerVR Rogue based GPU instead of an AMD solution, given that
Edge said:
What are the chances of Microsoft actually going with a PowerVR Rogue based GPU instead of an AMD solution, given that
- Imagination Technologies is a founding member of the HSA foundation - so combining AMD with ImgTec hardware shouldn't be too much of a stretch
- PowerVR Rogue has some hardware aspects that match interestingly well with a lot of the rumours we've been hearing about Durango (especially the rumoured inclusion of ESRAM; sources insisting to refer to "shaders" rather than "CUs"; sources pointing out that Durango's GPU specs aren't directly comparable to Orbis' with respect to real-world performance; and so on)
- With their "Caustic" group, ImgTec would even have the perfect match for the low-power dedicated raytracting chip rumoured to be part of Durango
- ImgTec are obviously aiming for boxes beyond the mobile / low power market with their Rogue architecture (quotes taken from their above press release):
RoguePR said:
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I wondered this some time back...I can see it as a possibility..just think its a long shot...who knows what a scaled rogue could do...Im quite sure the flops wouldnt be directly comparable...anyone with some insights into power vr uarch vs gcn?
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