News & Rumors: Xbox One (codename Durango)

[XpiderMX]

You would think so, but you underestimate the new Xbox management.

But don't take my word for it, listen to bkilian:

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?p=1696487#post1696487


http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1702364&postcount=1299

This was before the first always online rumours appeared.

Some of his other posts on always online:


http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1702364&postcount=1299
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?p=1724893#post1724893
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?p=1724970#post1724970
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?p=1725015#post1725015

But you're right, it could be that me, bgassassin, Edge and Kotaku (who were initially skeptical about Edge's report and then changed their mind and reiterated the rumours) were wrong all along.

Well, we don't know who was the Kotaku or Edge source, maybe their sources could be been cheated. Maybe Microsoft can't change the hardware from what we know, but all the things related to software are not set on stone, MS can change things even after launch.

I have read you, and you looks quite confident. You have your sources, and I know you trust them, but you can't be sure if the people taking the decisions, trust it to others. I really doubt all people related to next Xbox know all things.

 

[Nisaaru]

I realize crow tastes terrible, but give it up.

It never made sense for MS to pick out 30% of their users and say we don't need/want you.

Why didn't they avoid the PR disaster back then instead of informing people months after the fact? I can't believe their PR spin doctors are so detached or ignorant.

 

[Miksu]

Why didn't they avoid the PR disaster back then instead of informing people months after the fact? I can't believe their PR spin doctors are so detached or ignorant.

If someone at this point has read anything about the new Xbox, that someone must be a "core" gamer. No mainstream media has written anything about the new Xbox yet. So if a (false?) rumor keeps the core gamers talking about the upcoming product, even though the discussion is mainly negative, it's all good and everyone wins: Gamers get "new news" to read and online gaming media gets more clicks. Give the right message at the right event and that's what the mainstream media will pick up.

 

[XpiderMX]

http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/22qgg3/pach-attack--pachter-s-xbox-rumor-ratings

 

[AlphaWolf]

Why didn't they avoid the PR disaster back then instead of informing people months after the fact? I can't believe their PR spin doctors are so detached or ignorant.

What PR disaster? The hundreds of forum warriors? And for the most part companies don't talk about unannounced products for good reason. If they started doing that websites would spend a lot of time just trying to goad information out of them.

 

[(((interference)))]

Add Paul Thurrot to my list:

"Going back and looking at some of the stuff I got a long time ago, it actually says 'must be Internet connected to use,' that's in the notes," Thurrot said. "That's all I have, but it does say that."

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/...e-xbox-successor-to-launch-in-early-november/

My CEO sent out a mass email to let us (5000 employees) know that no we weren't acquired by a Saudi company with a plan to require that all female employees wear burkas.

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Hardly the same situation, this an internal memo to Xbox team - they'd know what the console they're working on can and can't do.

 

[bkilian]

Yup.

Nope.

 

[Nisaaru]

If someone at this point has read anything about the new Xbox, that someone must be a "core" gamer. No mainstream media has written anything about the new Xbox yet. So if a (false?) rumor keeps the core gamers talking about the upcoming product, even though the discussion is mainly negative, it's all good and everyone wins: Gamers get "new news" to read and online gaming media gets more clicks. Give the right message at the right event and that's what the mainstream media will pick up.

Here the news reached MSM early February.

http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/web/...eblich-online-zwang-fuer-spiele-a-881964.html

It can't get bigger than this.

 

[Cjail]

More RAM doesn't hurt performance but if it doesn't help performance then it becomes a wasteful expense. The amount computational power of your product along with the amount of RAM will determine how well concurrent processing (servicing multiple apps simultaneously) is handled by your product. Just increasing RAM without increasing the performance will lead to a natural bottleneck.

Yes but what I don't know for sure is if in this case increasing memory amount but not memory bandwidth will help.
Adding 4GB of slow DDR3 will unbalance the architecture or not?
Would the 69GB/s of bandwidth of the CPU still be good enough to access 9GB instead than then current 5GB?

I can't answer these questions and be sure 100%

 

[XpiderMX]

Nope.

Maybe some months ago no, but today?

Add Paul Thurrot to my list:

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/...e-xbox-successor-to-launch-in-early-november/

Thurrot said it is not bas as it looks:

But the knee-jerk reaction to this functionality—which, again, could certainly have been communicated a bit better—is happening before we have all the facts. Let’s see what Microsoft has to say about the next Xbox, first in a late May launch event, and then later at both E3 and BUILD 2013, before we make up our minds. Let’s not let one ill-conceived comment ruin what’s going to be an awesome year for Xbox. And yes, it really is going to be awesome.

 

[dagamer]

News & Rumors: Xbox 720 aka Xbox 3 aka Xbox Next aka Durango aka Loop

Rumors are like negotiating with terrorists: if you openly respond to one, you leave yourself open to responding to them all. Then the press starts to play silly games like "If they didn't respond to XYZ rumor, but did respond to ABC, then XYZ MUST be true!" Online blogs also have a habit of posting the most outlandish of things as well to attract page views.

My advice? Ignore the linkbait.

 

[Xenio]

How if the always connected means cloud computing? If it is, then microsoft don't need to re-clock the gpu to have the powerful console

 

[Xenio]

Being able to say PS4's only 30% faster instead of 50% is an extremely weak reason to risk not only your production cost, but capacity and long term reliability. Durango is still slower, by a not insignificant degree. And if Sony employs just a 10% overclock to match, they're back to square one.

I don't know, 1050 mhz means 1.614 tf, it is a 14% difference not 30. 1050 mhz is a normal working frequency for 77x0 gpu but with 18 cu it's a whole different story/risk, and a lot of heat. But who knows

 

[Cjail]

How if the always connected means cloud computing? If it is, then microsoft don't need to re-clock the gpu to have the powerful console

Cloud computing is even more problematic than always connected.
With always connected you are required only a Internet connection with but with cloud computing you need a fast internet connection.
The percentage of players with adequate internet connection for cloud computing is significantly inferior to the percentage of player that has internet so too few will really benefit from it.

 

[Brad Grenz]

I don't know, 1050 mhz means 1.614 tf, it is a 14% difference not 30. 1050 mhz is a normal working frequency for 77x0 gpu but with 18 cu it's a whole different story/risk, and a lot of heat. But who knows

A 77X0 doesn't have a third of the die given over to SRAM, these weird move engines, a beefy audio processor and 8 Jaguar cores built into it. It's silly to think that a 77X0 add in card tells us anything about what the practical, achievable clocks for these APUs will be. If you think they can achieve a 30% overclock by flipping a switch, you're high.

 

[Xenio]

A 77X0 doesn't have a third of the die given over to SRAM, these weird move engines, a beefy audio processor and 8 Jaguar cores built into it. It's silly to think that a 77X0 add in card tells us anything about what the practical, achievable clocks for these APUs will be. If you think they can achieve a 30% overclock by flipping a switch, you're high.

Thanks, but if you think that the clock of the CU have to be the same of the rest of system, you're high too
if the very same gpu from AMD works at the very same frequency, there is no overclock at all, 800 MHz it's underclocked, just check to reality, the GCN 12 CU gpu is actual selling @ 1050 MHz too, so it can't be called overclock, maybe up-limit of normal range clock

 

[french toast]

Thanks, but if you think that the clock of the CU have to be the same of the rest of system, you're high too
if the very same gpu from AMD works at the very same frequency, there is no overclock at all, 800 MHz it's underclocked, just check to reality, the GCN 12 CU gpu is actual selling @ 1050 MHz too, so it can't be called overclock, maybe up-limit of normal range clock

We don't know the box size... We could be dealing with a box the size or smaller than a Xbox slim.

 

[AlphaWolf]

Nope.

Sorry but the concept is stupid and perhaps there were people pushing for it but the reality is that MS was never going to abandon that large a % of their user base when it came down to it.

I don't buy that some forums warriors in an uproar changed anyones mind.

 

[Brad Grenz]

Thanks, but if you think that the clock of the CU have to be the same of the rest of system, you're high too
if the very same gpu from AMD works at the very same frequency, there is no overclock at all, 800 MHz it's underclocked, just check to reality, the GCN 12 CU gpu is actual selling @ 1050 MHz too, so it can't be called overclock, maybe up-limit of normal range clock

I never said they did, but in any case it's a really large chip with many components that will all be generating heat. The CUs do not exist in isolation. Stop living in a fantasy.

 

[Xenio]

but in any case it's a really large chip with many components that will all be generating heat. The CUs do not exist in isolation. Stop living in a fantasy.

the CU's will generate heat as all the PU's in the market, you've discovered hot water Brad. Before telling other people to stop living in fantasy, would be nice to know about your studies in "non-linear heat generation inside an unknow APU when a rumored and unkonow gpu change frequency of CU's on demand"