New Stuff about PS3!

[Titanio]

Of course there are exceptions, my friend, and an exception this one is. Heavenly Sword was a platform neutral game developed on PC's for next generation systems. But what about the PS3 heavy hitters?! I mean, Sony isn't expecting to sell over-priced consoles in March with ten Heavenly Swords, are they? Where is MGS4, GT5 and DMC4?

If Sony manages to pull off a world-wide launch in March '06. I'll never post here again. With that said, expect to see a "I told you so" thread on these forums on April 1st 2006. If PS3 does launch in March, I won't be posting here anyways cuz I'll be playing mine.

You're not telling me anything, I'm certain we won't see a launch outside of Japan in the Spring. I just didn't agree with your argument about the length of time PS3 games may or may not have been in development for - you can't just look at when first kits arrived and necessarily say that dev started then.

 

[Uncle]

You guys got it wrong! It's Nin¥endo and $on¥.

No no. It's Nint€ndo.

 

[Alpha_Spartan]

You're not telling me anything, I'm certain we won't see a launch outside of Japan in the Spring. I just didn't agree with your argument about the length of time PS3 games may or may not have been in development for - you can't just look at when first kits arrived and necessarily say that dev started then.

I wasn't saying that. I was basing my comments on the quality of titles. The PS3 big hitters are all early in development. I'll be surprised if there are actually running alphas of those games at TGS.

 

[Nemo80]

I started wondering this when I saw the comment regarding the ‘X360 bottlenecks’. I know, if indeed there are bottlenecks they could be in either the CPU or GPU or be a product of the two combined, but again I am just looking for a little conjecture on what/where this bottleneck might be.

-aldo

Of course there are bottlenecks. 1MB Cache (or less if reserved for the GPU) shared by 6 threads is a real bottleneck, same goes for the FSB and the 10 MB eDRAM just to mention some...

 

[mckmas8808]

Who are you going to believe ?

Carmack, Gabe

[OR]

An Anonymous developer

An Anonymous developer. See you have to understand a person in DeanoC's situation could have told them this. We believe DeanoC when he told us things in the past, so should we stop believing him if he said something that contridicts what Carmack or Gabe says? No not really.

The PS3 big hitters are all early in development. I'll be surprised if there are actually running alphas of those games at TGS.

There doesn't have to be MGS, GT5, or DMC4 just to push the PS3. There will be other great games at launch. Sony also has more games than those too.

 

[scooby_dooby]

Point is you can say literaly ANYTHING if you stay anonymous.

Other than 2 "anonymous" quotes this article says nothing new, it just hypes stuff up, keep the hype alive!!!

it goes against everything the "on the record" devs have said, so if they can't sac-up and attach their name to the quote, then IMO it should be taken with a grain of salt and recognized as the hype-BS that it really is...

This is all part of the "don't buy a 360 cause PS3 will be soooooo much more powerful" BS hype campaign that Sony has been running since E3. I'll believe it when I see it onscreen being played, until then I've been through the Sony hype machine many times and they ALWAYS exagerate the performance and quality of their products.

 

[Titanio]

Do you guys really think everyone shares the same outlook as Carmack or Newell on these new systems?

Devs have different tastes and wants and preferences and outlooks and priorities, as much as we do here. I'm pretty sure it's just a little possible some devs may - *shock* - find PS3 more to their liking than a X360. Maybe they won't like everything about it to their preference, but I mean on balance, overall, after trading everything off.

A dev saying that - whether a dev did actually say that in PSM or not - wouldn't invalidate what another dev said elsewhere, it would simply just be another opinion.

 

[Arty]

An Anonymous developer. See you have to understand a person in DeanoC's situation could have told them this. We believe DeanoC when he told us things in the past, so should we stop believing him if he said something that contridicts what Carmack or Gabe says? No not really..

See scooby's answer:

Point is you can say literaly ANYTHING if you stay anonymous

 

[<nu>faust]

An Anonymous developer. See you have to understand a person in DeanoC's situation could have told them this. We believe DeanoC when he told us things in the past, so should we stop believing him if he said something that contridicts what Carmack or Gabe says? No not really.

you do have a point there but that shouldnt mean that we should accept every rumour floats around the net as the truth. The factual errors(such as marvel mmorpg for ps3) , the way its written (like "ps3 is goin to be waaay more powerful") and the creditability issues of psm clearly suggests that the article was a mix of already confirmed info,most likely to be tru rumours and hopeful editors personal opinion.(of course that my personal opinion)



There doesn't have to be MGS, GT5, or DMC4 just to push the PS3. There will be other great games at launch. Sony also has more games than those too.

"other great games"

Like which ones? can you be more spesific, its clear to everyone in the industry Sony wont' have its "heavy hitters" at launch and they did release a system(ps2) with subpar games like fantavision before, why would it be so much different this time given the tight schedule?

As everybody agrees,japanese launch is a different story though, they can release ps3 with bunch of pachinko ,horse racing ,dating sims and couple of okay games from big japanese studios and it will do just fine but in North America and Europe Sony needs more time to develop its "killer apps ready". Lets not forget Ms will have its heavy hitters like gears of war and halo 3 during q2 2006.

Also several people asked why everybody thinks Ms will have a better launch line-up than sony if they decide to release ps3 during spring 06 and the answer is quite simple. The No2 player in videogame industry Ms, has been dying to increase its market share and cut down its gaming divisions gigantic loses ( around 4bil spent on xbox project ) so they started planning their next gen efforts(including making sure of a strong launch line up) long before sony did.(which doesnt gurantee anything since early launch is a risk for ms and sony is expected to be no 1 in markets like japan no matter what ms does)

 

[Alpha_Spartan]

There doesn't have to be MGS, GT5, or DMC4 just to push the PS3. There will be other great games at launch. Sony also has more games than those too.

Quality games don't sell systems. Big name franchises do.

 

[Magnum PI]

Quality games don't sell systems. Big name franchises do.

before becoming big names franchises, they are first quality games that helps sell system.
(for instance halo).

 

[seismologist]

Quality games don't sell systems. Big name franchises do.

So do brand names and Blu Ray movie players

 

[Alpha_Spartan]

before becoming big names franchises, they are first quality games that helps sell system.
(for instance halo).

An anomaly. Generally speaking, great games don't always sell.

 

[mckmas8808]

"other great games"

Like which ones? can you be more spesific, its clear to everyone in the industry Sony wont' have its "heavy hitters" at launch and they did release a system(ps2) with subpar games like fantavision before, why would it be so much different this time given the tight schedule?

So just because we have heard of the games does that mean nothing is coming out? Wow I hate to see Nintendo's launch line up then.:|

Quality games don't sell systems. Big name franchises do.

So you think Sony isn't going to launch with any big name franchises? Take a look at the launch lineup that the PSP had for NA. I'm pretty sure Sony will deliver. Why would they not?

 

[scooby_dooby]

So you think Sony isn't going to launch with any big name franchises? Take a look at the launch lineup that the PSP had for NA. I'm pretty sure Sony will deliver. Why would they not?

The entire point is sony will wait until Fall 2006 so that they WILL have some big hitters.

Who honestly thinks that with 2 games showable at TGS that sony will be able to go head to head with MS this spring!?

MS is going to have a very good selection of extremely good AAA exclusives, Kameo, PD0, Oblivion, Lost Odyssey, Gears of War, PGR3, 99 Nights...in order to counter that PS3 needs some seriously good games, a bunch of cross-platform ports won't cut it.

They'll be smart and wait until Fall 06 for the US launch, when they have a couple serious contenders to counter MS's extremely good exlusive line-up.

Like it or not, MS is lining up a boatload of extremely promising exlusive titles.

 

[Titanio]

MS is going to have a very good selection of extremely good AAA exclusives

From a quality or "big-name" perspective? The former is a point of opinion, but on the latter..MS isn't bringing any of the GTA/MGS/Halo style "big names" at launch that you think is so required of Sony at PS3's launch.

 

[mckmas8808]

From a quality or "big-name" perspective? The former is a point of opinion, but on the latter..MS isn't bringing any of the GTA/MGS/Halo style "big names" at launch that you think is so required of Sony at PS3's launch.

Correct Titanio. And scooby shouldn't you at least wait until next week to make statements like that? Do you think we now about EVERY game that will be at TGS? Just give it 7 days and if the same holds true then you will probably be right, but if not then....

 

[sirplue]

I'n't FFXII coming out around that time next year... all Sony would have to do is slap a "PLAYSTATION 3 compatible!" sticker on that sucker and that's like, millions sold to the many that were planning on buying a PS3 anyway, maybe. =-P

It strikes me as odd that anyone would bank on MS, who as of yet, I think is still unproven in the gaming market. But, totally count out Sony who crushed Genesis and unseated Nintendo. That just… baffles me.

 

[jonnyp]

I'n't FFXII coming out around that time next year... all Sony would have to do is slap a "PLAYSTATION 3 compatible!" sticker on that sucker and that's like, millions sold to the many that were planning on buying a PS3 anyway, maybe. =-P

It strikes me as odd that anyone would bank on MS, who as of yet, I think is still unproven in the gaming market. But, totally count out Sony who crushed Genesis and unseated Nintendo. That just… baffles me.

Nothing baffles me when it comes to ******s.

 

[Alpha_Spartan]

From a quality or "big-name" perspective? The former is a point of opinion, but on the latter..MS isn't bringing any of the GTA/MGS/Halo style "big names" at launch that you think is so required of Sony at PS3's launch.

With Sony's sequel-hungry audience in mind, yes, I'd think so. It would be like a Nintendo console without a Mario, Zelda, or Metroid game at launch (the GCN launch is an abnormality). You have to think about the audience. If the PS2 didn't launch with Madden 2001, do you think it would have done well?

I don't think Fantavision 2 or a new franchise alone is going to cut it.