My incredibly wrong theory on what the "revolution&quot

[GwymWeepa]

My incredibly wrong theory on what the "revolution" is

(darn the limited space for subjects)

Since no one has so much as given an opinion about the Revolution or what its innovation will be, I'm forced to be the first to give his .02 cents, which are worth at least 100 dollars.

Picture this:

A wireless tablet controller. Video is fed to it so a traditional video output is not necessary. There would be designated areas to the left and right of the massive touchscreen for control inputs and a middle area for video display (though it too would be touch sensitive). So you have a controller that is a massive touch screen, so controls are endlessly customizable (and since it doubles as the screen, there is no need to look away, and lose track of where your fingeres are or what they are pressing). It is wireless, so you could play it anywhere in the house and everyone who joins you in a game session can have their own private display. Oh and just to make things real interesting, it'll naturally have gyroscopes to make it sensitive to player movements.

Are there problems with such a controller? Of course. Nothing replaces the feel for buttons or an analogue stick, but I wouldn't put this past Nintendo.

 

[one]

A tablet is nice, but cost?

Also, for the compatibility to the GC controller, a touch screen is useless as it can't get multiple inputs.

 

[GwymWeepa]

A tablet is nice, but cost?

Well that's part of the reason why its incredibly wrong LOL.

 

[one]

A tablet is nice, but cost?

Well that's part of the reason why its incredibly wrong LOL.

Incredibly wrong or plain wrong, how different are they

 

[Farid]

I wholeheartedly agree. This is an incredbly wrong theory.

 

[GwymWeepa]

I wholeheartedly agree. This is an incredbly wrong theory.

Then you are impressed by its wrongness?

 

[PC-Engine]

I think it's a cool idea but too expensive for this generation. OTOH using a DS or Evolution as controllers with built-in screen and touch capability would be really cool. I heard that ATI is working with Nintendo on the Revoution controller so it might have some sort of video chip built into the controller for receiving video data from Revolution and rendering it independently. This also ties in with the FREE internet gaming service so maybe you can even play Revolution games using these wireless controllers with integrated displays with other people using DSs or Evolutions.

 

[Acert93]

If Nintendo were able to leverage its home console as a cross platform home console/portable device that would be pretty awesome. BUT I think we are years away from that. Heat, power consumption, battery size, LCD costs, media drive size/power use, and on and on are not there.

Come 2011 I would be really open to such an idea though. While there will always be advancements in rendering power, at some point (dare I saw soon, or even now?) those advancements will mean less and less to the gameplay. Right now, advancements allow more physics and interactivity in the world--they make the game more believable and interactive. But at some point we will say "The lighting is better... and there are now billions of physics bodies instead of millions" but then will ask "But does this make the game better?" My guess is the 4th 3D generation will be when we begin asking those questions, and by the 5th we will be much more interested in what other things the console does (home server, holograms, media center, etc...)

 

[blakjedi]

I think it's a cool idea but too expensive for this generation. OTOH using a DS or Evolution as controllers with built-in screen and touch capability would be really cool. I heard that ATI is working with Nintendo on the Revoution controller so it might have some sort of video chip built into the controller for receiving video data from Revolution and rendering it independently. This also ties in with the FREE internet gaming service so maybe you can even play Revolution games using these wireless controllers with integrated displays with other people using DSs or Evolutions.

Has Sony beat Nintendo to the punch with the PSP/wi-fi connection to PS3?

 

[PC-Engine]

I think it's a cool idea but too expensive for this generation. OTOH using a DS or Evolution as controllers with built-in screen and touch capability would be really cool. I heard that ATI is working with Nintendo on the Revoution controller so it might have some sort of video chip built into the controller for receiving video data from Revolution and rendering it independently. This also ties in with the FREE internet gaming service so maybe you can even play Revolution games using these wireless controllers with integrated displays with other people using DSs or Evolutions.

Has Sony beat Nintendo to the punch with the PSP/wi-fi connection to PS3?

Where did you get the idea that PS3 will have WiFi?

1. Revolution has WiFi OOTB
2. DS has WiFi and touch screen.
3. Nintendo will have a FREE online gaming service for Revolution and DS.

I don't see anything idicating SONY has Nintendo beaten.

 

[blakjedi]

Has Sony beat Nintendo to the punch with the PSP/wi-fi connection to PS3?

Where did you get the idea that PS3 will have WiFi?

1. Revolution has WiFi OOTB
2. DS has WiFi and touch screen.
3. Nintendo will have a FREE online gaming service for Revolution and DS.

I don't see anything idicating SONY has Nintendo beaten.

I didnt say Sony had Nintendo beaten, just beaten to the punch. According to all of our speculation here on B3D, Nintendo should launch at or right behind Sony next year. With a PSP with wifi capability on the market and PS3 potentially with Wifi capabaility (or access) on the market before Rev launches (more on that later) they will have beaten Nin to the punch.

Actually you are right about one thing, its unknown whether PS3 will have builtin wifi capabilities or not, but then again so what? I know that in my house I have wifi for all my computing connections which includes my xbox. My PSP could use my home wi-fi connection to do updates play games etc if it could access WPA-AES (PSP is limited to WEP).

So even if PS3 didnt have wifi capacity built-in, it could access my PSP through my home wifi network all other things being equal... Or I could attach an 802.11b/g connector to the PS3 and do an adhoc PSP-PS3 connection. At that point what's the difference between the implementaions? The goals are achieved and at least as far as the mobile device is concerned, my PSP technically is more capable than the DS so it may be a better experience.

Items 1 and 3 on your list I dont know about... because Rev isnt out and we have no idea what Nintendo has planned as far gaming service is concerned but #2 is right on the money

 

[jvd]

At that point what's the difference between the implementaions?

Everything in the world . ONe is included in the price of a console and one is not .

Then if the ps3 doesn't come with a built in wireless ethernet jack and well it will only serve to splinter the ps3 market

 

[Teasy]

At that point what's the difference between the implementaions?

The difference is Sony won't have beaten Nintendo to the punch, you will

 

[blakjedi]

Everything in the world . ONe is included in the price of a console and one is not .

the cost of plugging my ps3 into my network is minimal (one cat5 cable) and it can still access anything on the wireless part of network (ie PSP).

Maybe I'm not getting it...

 

[Blade]

Is the theory that the Revolution is going to be a home-based handheld tablet with a "small" screen, with data streaming wirelessly from the Revolution console?

If so, nope. Interesting, but never happening and never should.

 

[BOOMEXPLODE]

Everything in the world . ONe is included in the price of a console and one is not .

the cost of plugging my ps3 into my network is minimal (one cat5 cable)

YOUVE GOT A PS3?!?!?!?!

 

[jvd]

Everything in the world . ONe is included in the price of a console and one is not .

the cost of plugging my ps3 into my network is minimal (one cat5 cable) and it can still access anything on the wireless part of network (ie PSP).

Maybe I'm not getting it...

but you need to run the wires which costs money and is time consuming .

My living room is 2 floors below my router . Which means i have to run cable through the floors .

Wifi is much better , esp if its included in the price of the system

 

[blakjedi]

Everything in the world . ONe is included in the price of a console and one is not .

the cost of plugging my ps3 into my network is minimal (one cat5 cable) and it can still access anything on the wireless part of network (ie PSP).

Maybe I'm not getting it...

but you need to run the wires which costs money and is time consuming .

My living room is 2 floors below my router . Which means i have to run cable through the floors .

Wifi is much better , esp if its included in the price of the system

The example I was drawing earlier in the discussion was that my xbox is three floors beneath my wifi router and i use it wirelessly even though it only has an ethernet port... I can do the same thing with the PS3 when it comes out (to all the smart alecky folks on this board )

Now I'm not saying that it wouldnt be great to have wifi built in (as long as it supports all wifi protocols like g in addition to b and uses WPA in addition to wep) but its not critical... i can still make the console work with other wireless devices in the house although it itself is not natively wireless.... with minimal cost to boot!

Im not arguing about the benefit of built in wireless on Revolution, I just think its not THAT MUCH of a benefit to hail it over any other ethernet capable console.

 

[jvd]

The example I was drawing earlier in the discussion was that my xbox is three floors beneath my wifi router and i use it wirelessly even though it only has an ethernet port... I can do the same thing with the PS3 when it comes out (to all the smart alecky folks on this board )

and that costs money

Now I'm not saying that it wouldnt be great to have wifi built in (as long as it supports all wifi protocols like g in addition to b and uses WPA in addition to wep) but its not critical... i can still make the console work with other wireless devices in the house although it itself is not natively wireless.... with minimal cost to boot!

I guess from a sony fan in regards to internet this is to be expected. The standard next gen will be wifi because nintendo will set that standard . If the ps3 doesn't have it then its an area where it falls short.

As i said you can add almost anything to anything . No one is running around making a big deal that you can watch videos , listen to mp3s and read ebooks on the ds ... but thats all they talk about on the psp . It will be the same with the ns5. They will have wifi and everyone will talk about it and no one will talk about the ehternet port on the back of the ps3. Everyone will talk about bluray and no one will talk about dvd on the xenon .

Im not arguing about the benefit of built in wireless on Revolution, I just think its not THAT MUCH of a benefit to hail it over any other ethernet capable console.

Of course not because sony didn't announce it , if sony anounces wifi for ps3 then you will be claiming its the best thing since slice bread and put down the systems that don't have it . I don't know about u but i perfer as little wires as possible . I perfer being able to play in my living room , then move my system to my room and not have to worry about wiring all othese other rooms

 

[Pozer]

what if its some type of VR thing. ( I know that sounds very 90's) There have been incredible advances in 3d technology for cinema. What if its gonna deliver on the promise of the Virtual Boy. Many of their patents have been about displaying graphics differently. Maybe its to eliminate strain.

A cheap VR visor with a cheap haptics based controller sounds revolutionary to me. Sign me up!