My editorial is finally out.
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geo said:
But in the NFI forums where Anonymous guys seem to LOVE the idea to bash me without any real points
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I e-mailed MikeC ( in fact even did so before getting Muya's response ), and no response yet. I'm not seriously expecting one either, but we'll see
3DGPU did link it, though. Not as big of a site as nV News nowadays though AFAIK.
Uttar
PaulS said:It's a bit of a shame really, since nVnews has been becoming more and more neutral in the last few months. I don't particularly blame them for this decision, but it's a pity.
I thought you weren't interested in popularity or visitor numbers?
Neutral only by force of most of its readers/visitors owning ATI hardware these days. And I don't mean anything negative by that; there's nothing with running a fansite, and I think Mike's always tried to be fair in his reviews.
Beyond3D newsposters start your engines and post the story on the frontpage
About the article, toom uch speculation and I can pretty bet there are a few assumptions made about what was happening at NVIDIA that are flat out wrong even if they do fit with what was happening on the outside.
I agree with the basic premise that NVIDIA got overconfident and put too much faith into NV30 and the engineers (not PR they only sell a product, they do not manufacture or design it) got it wrong.
On the outside it looks like the acquisition of 3dfx IP was a waste compared to ATI's buyout of ArtX but this is simple speculation. NVIDIA do need to do one thing pretty soon and that is assess its PR teams goals and objectives and above all methodology.
About the article, toom uch speculation and I can pretty bet there are a few assumptions made about what was happening at NVIDIA that are flat out wrong even if they do fit with what was happening on the outside.
I agree with the basic premise that NVIDIA got overconfident and put too much faith into NV30 and the engineers (not PR they only sell a product, they do not manufacture or design it) got it wrong.
On the outside it looks like the acquisition of 3dfx IP was a waste compared to ATI's buyout of ArtX but this is simple speculation. NVIDIA do need to do one thing pretty soon and that is assess its PR teams goals and objectives and above all methodology.
Tahir said:Beyond3D newsposters start your engines and post the story on the frontpage
Talking of that...
Dave?
Considering all the stuff that doesn't make it to the frontpage, I wouldn't be frustrated at all if this didn't make it either, although I'd appreciate it
But not a single reaction? Now that's not something I expected. :?
Uttar
volt said:
Disappointing tho. The principal reason I go to nvnews is that historically they have been very good about running a very inclusive front page that I find I can use to keep abreast of what's going on in the pc world. 3D-centric, somewhat, but hardly overwhelmingly so. It is a pity they bent to politics on this one (which I assume this is so as not to piss off nV, while allowing the conversation to go on in the Forums because that is easier to deny responsibility for by claiming an unwillingness to censor without very good cause.)
I feel pretty confidant that if this was the same kind of thing re ATI from a correspondent of Uttar's quality it would most certainly be on the front page of nvnews.
micron said:
Personally I've seen some change in the way nVnews is posting news nowadays. Little over a month ago they seemed to be really neutral in every post but now they seem to pick up more "nVidia-rox"-things out from the reviews. In addition they've been eager to add some stuff to front page which shows Ati in bad light. I'm not sure how long Muya has been doing all the news-stuff but if I remember correctly, there were some others who also posted on news page some time ago, and they seemed to be more unbiased. Now they've all disappearred. (No conspiracy-theories in this. Just something I've noticed).
Just my two cents.
Joe DeFuria
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micron said:Maybe their part of the mythological nVidia Damage Control Team that have recently been uncovered
Surely, nVidia's Damage Control Team is anything but mythological.
frankly speaking uttar... though it was an interesting read I fail to see a reason to post it on the front page... nor do I follow why posting it on the front page somehow validates your work...
you wrote it.. it was linked in the forums and actively discussed... what else is there ? it was informative for what it was as an opinion piece and certainly your work should be commended since there was obviously some effort put into it...
however I think you are being a little unfair putting nvnews under the spotlight here... they are generally pretty fair in their dealing and though they are nvidia centric by virtue of who they are...
I would be surprised to see b3d post it on the front page as well... but thats just my opinion...
you wrote it.. it was linked in the forums and actively discussed... what else is there ? it was informative for what it was as an opinion piece and certainly your work should be commended since there was obviously some effort put into it...
however I think you are being a little unfair putting nvnews under the spotlight here... they are generally pretty fair in their dealing and though they are nvidia centric by virtue of who they are...
I would be surprised to see b3d post it on the front page as well... but thats just my opinion...
Miksu said:
m8..
nvnews is general in its posts but they post more nvidia news purely from the basis of their origins... heck look @ the site name... I would expect it to be centered around news in the nvidia field...
on the flip side I have not seen negative news coverage being posted on the site... dunno how you are implying this...
don't want this to denegrate into a crapshoot but I have a feeling there is a perception of nvnews that paints it in a different light than it is... mike has done a good job running the site and muya and co have done a good job keeping hardware news ticking on the front page...
not linking one opinion piece hardly warrants a negative view of the place
I am sure there are many other sites on the web who have not linked to the article... heck afaik r3d didn't post this on their front page did they ? I just checked their news posts and I fail to see anything posted there about the editorial...
Well, they have to stay true to their name somehow. I notice they posted that nV won the PopSci Top H/W award, but not that ATi also won the exact same distinction. Similarly, I believe Rage3D did the opposite.micron said:
This isn't to say I believe NVN's staff are biased, as their forums seem very even-handed, and I respect Mike greatly from his in-depth IQ and FRAPS analysis and his posts here. I'm just saying NVN does tilt a little bit in nV's favor in their front page news, and there's really nothing wrong or unexpected with that.
If you look at the archive, you will see a lot of news posts that did not necessarily please Brian Burke (mostly about NV30, drivers). I myself tried to post anything related to the graphics industry that might have interested the reader. Whether it was ATI or NVIDIA related. It's the posters choice what to show and I respect that, however I don't like pleasing the PR when they don't deserve it.
Why am I slightly concerned about the number of time BB has been mentioned here in relation to NVNEW's news posts and BB's state of pleasure
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