MS only to ship 4.5-5.5 million by June 2006
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mckmas8808 said:
Not at all actually. Any advantage Sony has now for 3rd party support(if there is one) is EXTREMELY minor, and nowhere near the overwhelming support they enjoyed over N64, or dreamcast.
For all we know X360 could end up having more 3rd party support than Sony, it's certainly looking to be extremely close this time around, which will have "more" is totally debateable, but we can agree that either way it's going to be close.
Sony was simply in the right place at the right time, and made the right decisions. But we can already see history wil not repeat here, we can already see the 3rd party support for X360 is overwhelmingly positive.
BTOA said:MS took over that other spot known as Sega. So yes, they are Sega.
BTW,
Don't you remember Xbox having alot of Sega games in its early life.
i used to love sega but they've suck the passed couple of years, hopefully they can turn it around with next gen. actually sony beat sega and took sega's place
I heard all the arguments the last time. And yet, the Xbox was not Dreamcasted. Now Microsoft is building on the momentum they built up for the X360, and you want me to seriously consider it getting Dreamcasted? Sorry, but that boat sailed. Sony is not strong enough to force a growing competitor into oblivion. They have to be slouching that direction first.
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scooby_dooby said:
Correct but you make it sound as if Sony kind of became number 1 by luck though. Can you explain why with what MS has now is so much greater than what Nintendo had in 1993 and 1994? Nintendo had WAAAY more marketshare and mindshare then MS has now. And they also had the games too. So if this is true then why is MS in such a so so so much better situation then Nintendo was in 1994? To me the Xbox did ok, but far far from great. It should have done so much better with the obvious better hardware for graphics and king of all online capabilities. Yet they still lost to Sony by a wide wide margin.
I think in the end my point is Sony has a better videogame business model than MS. And in the end this is what will keep Sony to be number 1 through the next-generation.
In the US and Europe, MS did okay in terms of hardware sales and decent to good in Software sales. Despite having a fraction of Sony's user base, they consistently have games in the top 20 and even hold the #1 spot at times. I think it shows that console sales and active game buyers are not the same.
If you consider MS's big failiure, it is largely the Japanese market, who generally doesn't like outsiders and, it seems, especially US companies. If their new console doesn't do well in Japan again, MS should rethink their Japanese strategy. Maybe they should partner with Sega in Japan so that Sega and claim they are back in the console business and the Japanese can claim they are supporting a Japanese company. Dreambox or Mega Drive X?
If you consider MS's big failiure, it is largely the Japanese market, who generally doesn't like outsiders and, it seems, especially US companies. If their new console doesn't do well in Japan again, MS should rethink their Japanese strategy. Maybe they should partner with Sega in Japan so that Sega and claim they are back in the console business and the Japanese can claim they are supporting a Japanese company. Dreambox or Mega Drive X?
g35er said:
Japanese don't dislike foreign things just because they are foreign though. They dislike them because more often than not they are considered unstylish or uncool. Look at iPod or fashion preferences in Japan and it'll be clear that foreign brands can do quite well there.
mckmas8808 said:
NIntendo started loosing brand reconigtion the moment the gensis came out . Add in the mortal kombat misshap was forever branded kiddy .
Ms on the other hand is like sega in some ways. Thier first console didn't do to well. But thier second console they had a better name and they got some key games made and took half the market .
Ms is in a grat postion cause in the usa and in europe the brandname is pretty strong , there are some pretty well known games and they are launching first capturing the markets view of what next gen should be much like sega did before nintendo could launch
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mckmas8808 said:
Making the right decisions at the the right time is hardly luck, it's smart gutsy business.
As for what MS has know that N didn't have? - Exclusive dev's like Bungie, Bioware, Mistwalker, Real Time Worlds, Team Ninja, Lionhead etc, 100% support from the worlds largest publishers EA, Activision etc, support from Square Enix. Well... that's a start no?
As a diehard N64 supporter back in my youth, no, Nintendo did not "have the games" There was Goldeneye, Starfox and...uhh...Turok 1 & Turok 2. It had some good games, but they were extremely few and far between.
xbdestroya said:
It's true, there are differences in prouduct tastes such as Americans like things big while they like things compact but, while I'm an outsider for sure in the Japanese way of life, from what I understand, "nationalism" or "homerism" plays an aspect in their business and consumer culture, moreso than the US, who love foreign goods. The US has a much higher import/export ratio than they do and the two nations are about the same in terms of industrialization and labor costs.
The nationalism for something like a console takes place at the business level (obviously nationalism isn't the only problem), not consumer level. If you can't get 3rd party support, you won't have the types of games that the market wants. If you don't have the types of games that the market wants, you don't sell consoles. This isn't really relevant when it comes to things like fashion, which is entirely consumer driven.
PG2G said:
I disagree with this notion of business nationalism though (in this particular instance). Do you feel that on some level the Japanese business world is stacked against Microsoft? I feel to the contrary, that the support is very strong. There may be some sort of 'prevent the Gaijin company from getting a foothold' mentality among Sony's closest developer allies, but that has as much to do with their strong relationships with one another as anything else. Certainly there are a lot of Japanese developers onboard with MS this time - frankly more than I expected, and even more than I would say is justified, considering XBox's performance there. So honestly I would say in general that the Japanese dev community is being quite open-minded with Microsoft's upcoming console.
It'll be interesting to see how the 360's Japanese launch goes, that much is for certain.
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Microsoft increased its userbase from 0? Quite the accomplishment!Powderkeg said:
The Xbox success was not without cause, it launched with very advanced hardware and probably the biggest marketing campaign gamers have ever seen. Even with these factors the success of the Xbox was not assured, splitting Nintendos userbase instead of taking anything from Sony's. The Xbox could've and by all rights should've done much, much better.
Its true Nintendo's userbase has been decreasing every generation and thats because they have managed to screw up time and time again, and their mistakes with the GC were what allowed the Xbox to succeed more than anything else.
This time around the Xbox has lost its biggest advantage (power), its only notable advantage is LIVE - a service which reaches less than 3million users, and from all accounts Sony will be implementing a fully-featured network for PS3. Sony hasn't put a foot wrong so far regarding the PS3 whereas one cannot say the same for the Xbox360. Will the early lead be enough? Maybe, and maybe not if MS squanders it with low supplies as has been hinted at.
xbdestroya said:
I too am surprised by the level of support for the 360 compared to XB1. But MS isn't the only US comapny who struggled in Japan. US made/developed games also can't penetrate the Japanese market for the most part. Anecdotally, everything I read says it's tough for an outsider in general to crack the Japanese market. The import/export ratios of the two countries shows evidence of it. This is partially due to high tariffs and other factors, but don't you think Japanese pride has something to do with it? Outside of a few folks in the US who buy "American only", most people in America have very little pride in "made in the US".
Back to the original topic, of the ~6 mil 360's in the next few months, Japan will definitely be the big question mark of can they can sell everything they make.
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Powderkeg said:
What pevious generation did MS have? Was it called the Xbox 180?
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scooby said:
I do agree with you here scooby. You're right Xbox 360 does seem to have better games then the N64 had.
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Qroach said:
Yes it was. That's why I and everyone I know bought an XBOX, because it was more powerful than PS2 and had better looking games.
I had just bought Red Faction on my PS2, thought it was pretty sweet. Then I went to a friends house where he had Halo set up, I was addicted. Had never seen a game on that level before, with that quality, it made Red Faction look like total and complete CRAP.
2 weeks later my PS2 was sitting in a pawnshop and I had a nice new XBOX!
