Massively underwhelming Perfect Dark 0 screens (360)

[Proforma]

]you do know that launch is 5 months away don't you ? You do know that these are no finished dev kits .

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You should all know that this is unfinished games on unfishined hardware with 5 months to go. But you all run around screaming like this will be the final quality of the games .

jvd,

Yes, I know there is 5 months left. But here is why we are skeptical. First, you cannot just change things overnight. I have never seen a game make a complete make over in 5 months. The PDZ footage was degrees of magnitude behind Condemned, Quake 4, Gears of War, GR3, and even CoD 2 in graphic quality. PDZ did not look in the same league in design, texturing, models, building/level architecture, effects, etc...

It looked very much like the N64 version... i.e. very low geometry worlds with low detail (e.g. a lot of tiling). The quality is just not there... it takes years to make a great engine and a great game. 5 months is just not enough time. If you consider the fact the last 3 months will be spent tweaking, balanancing, and optimizing the game, there just is not enough time to do a complete make over.

The next problem is PDZ is running at 20fps.

You have every right to your opinion, and I respect that. As you can see in my new post I think the Xbox 360 software is looking totally awesome. I am excited! But PDZ makes me cringe.

Btw, you are focusing on the HW stabalization/5 months span/first gen software angle. The other software is puts the smack down on other current games, so I have a question:

Do you think PDZ looks good (compared to current gen *and* when compared to the other titles like Gears of War, GR3, Condemned... I want to hear your thoughts on both), or are you optimistic it will get a LOT better in 5 months?

Xbox 360 is looking great... just a little dissappointed with PDZ.

Halo was shown at E3 and made a huge change for launch in just 5 months.

Forza, have you ever seen pictures from January this year, it looked like crap, when it was released a couple of weeks ago, it blew GT4 out of the water easily as far as graphics go.

These are two examples that improved drammatically, from early to launch of the games.

How do we know that the screenshots floating around are from the game going to be shown at E3, those may be old shots from when the first started porting it over to Xbox 2.

A lot of people thought Forza sucked and the graphics were terrible and then it comes out to the public and the graphics blow away anything we have ever seen and it tops the graphics on GT4 quite easily. There is plenty of time here.

Lets Judge the results of the Xbox software at launch.

Most games arn't even using the final hardware and Microsoft told most developers to focus on 256 megs instead of 512 with the dev kits even though the devkits had 512 megs of ram, Microsoft wanted the developers to lower their quality as they were not sure at the time that 512 megs of ram would be included in Xbox 360, so the graphics for the Xbox 360 have a long way to go to match up to the hardware and they have enough time to do it in.

For example look how much Conker sucked when it was first worked on and then look at the latest pictures. Big difference. Lots of room to move.

 

[rabidrabbit]

Forza, have you ever seen pictures from January this year, it looked like crap, when it was released a couple of weeks ago, it blew GT4 out of the water easily as far as graphics go.

No it didn't

A lot of people thought Forza sucked and the graphics were terrible and then it comes out to the public and the graphics blow away anything we have ever seen and it tops the graphics on GT4 quite easily.

No it doesn't
The general consensus is that GT4 is the better one graphically.
One only needs to compare the actual game graphics on your tv screen, instead of Forza PR shots vs. GT4 actual gameplay shots.

 

[DemoCoder]

Halo mostly added levels. The fundamental quality of the E3 demo video, which showed a bunch of marines assaulting a compound after master chief sniped some guards, culiminating in everyone dying until MC speared an Elite Convenant with a sword ("Your destruction is the will of the gods, and we are their insturment") did not change between E3 and release. MC's model, the Convent models, the textures, and basic shaders used for the interiors, stayed mostly the same. I can recall that trailer very easy because it was easily one of the best video game trailers I had seen, and I watched that Halo E3 demo trailer like 100 times it was so exciting.


Between E3 and launch, they slapped on a bunch of levels, and it showed, primary in "The Library" level which was a cut-and-paste job if I've ever seen one.

There is simply no way the engine's fundamental look is going to be overhauled in 5 months, especially since you are leaving out testing/QA and other time. Realistically, they have 3 months of development left, and 1 month to make any "big changes" they need.


What you don't understand is people aren't doubting that the XB360 can produce impressive visuals *eventually*. People are criticizing MS for showing their hand too soon, before they had a good set of cards to show.

Revisionist history as to the quality of initial PS2 and XB demos doesn't help. Simply put, the first images we saw of PS2 and XB were far more polished and better looking compared to previous generations (PSone/N64/etc)

 

[Confidence-Man]

Saw this on gaming-age:

I don't know what to believe.

 

[Proforma]

Forza, have you ever seen pictures from January this year, it looked like crap, when it was released a couple of weeks ago, it blew GT4 out of the water easily as far as graphics go.

No it didn't

A lot of people thought Forza sucked and the graphics were terrible and then it comes out to the public and the graphics blow away anything we have ever seen and it tops the graphics on GT4 quite easily.

No it doesn't
The general consensus is that GT4 is the better one graphically.
One only needs to compare the actual game graphics on your tv screen, instead of Forza PR shots vs. GT4 actual gameplay shots.

consensus from whom? The blind. Check out the IGN video from both which are side by side with the same track.

If the consensus says GT4 then, they are seeing Sony dollar signs or blow jobs from Sony execs.

The graphics did look worse, a lot worse. Check out some of the GAF fans and they will tell you.

Bias does a lot of things, but a couple things it does is promote stupidty and blindness.