DuckThor Evil
Legend
Yeah I quess it's a bit childish to be attached to a faery tale, but we all like our stories.
Mass Effect 3
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Yeah I quess it's a bit childish to be attached to a faery tale, but we all like our stories.
I was expecting a good ending yes, how many fantasy and sci-fi trilogies do you know with an ending as depressing as this? Bad endings are for short stories and serious literature ... most people give up on serious literature after being force fed it in high school. I know I did, give me juvenile power fantasies over that tripe any day.
The whole "bad ending is better" thing is so stupid.
Can you honestly say that you would have liked the game less with the original dark energy ending? (Basically the Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann ending, which had plenty of heroic sacrifice and tragedy at the end ... but still an overall good ending.)
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Billy Idol
Legend
Yeah. But don't forget that it is way easier to write a good introduction than to write a good conclusion. Look at all those "I liked the first part...but part 2 and 3 are garbage" talks all over the internet for all sorts of media (e.g. Matrix).
Problem is that after the first part, people start letting their imagination and interpretation taking over...which leads directly into big big dissapointment when the actual ending does not fit the own imaginations/story.
Problem: everyone has its own imagination and personal "hope it ends like that ending". So independent of what you do as a story writer...you will have some people complain, as you cannot match all opinions!!
Happens all the time. Did happen with ME. Will happen in future...
I for myself say: it is a great series. I am satisfied with the end. I enjoyed ME3 a lot...it is a great game.
I am 100% certain that the Mass Effect universe is now more interesting than ever...
Solution : we use available evidence (the forums) to determine if the ending is written well ...
Conclusion : they have never gotten it as wrong as this.
They should just have given the masses what they wanted, a mix of HUMANITY **** YEAH, triumph over all odds, a little heroic sacrifice and some bitter sweet personal tragedy. Seriously, writing for this kind of audience is not rocket science ... it just requires a writer without too many pretensions to serious (ie. DEEP) writing, or at least a small enough ego to do what's best for the game instead.
The Matrix was set up for failure from the start, story wise, the antagonists and action sequences saved it for 1 ... they couldn't do it for 2&3.
Conclusion : they have never gotten it as wrong as this.
They should just have given the masses what they wanted, a mix of HUMANITY **** YEAH, triumph over all odds, a little heroic sacrifice and some bitter sweet personal tragedy. Seriously, writing for this kind of audience is not rocket science ... it just requires a writer without too many pretensions to serious (ie. DEEP) writing, or at least a small enough ego to do what's best for the game instead.
The Matrix was set up for failure from the start, story wise, the antagonists and action sequences saved it for 1 ... they couldn't do it for 2&3.
BTW, what Mass Effect universe? There basically isn't one any more outside of your imagination ... the canon universe is just a set of separate systems, not a universe. They could create a new one with some tangential ties to previous lore, but it would be fundamentally different. This isn't like Star Wars where the setup allows you to move 1000 years in either direction and get almost the same universe with different faces.
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That's actually the main reason why a lot of people still hold the first game as the best.
It was a bit too overwhelming though, IMHO, a lot of things only started to make sense on the second playthrough.
dragonelite
Veteran
They're giant sling shots.
http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Mass_effect_field
The mass effect is a phenomena when applying an electric current to eezo matter, which can either increase or decrease the mass of an object within the field.
Lets just say i probably read 90% of that before ME 3 came out to refill in the gaps i forgotten. Maybe a bit OCD on my side and i expected more for a ending.
Why is fluffy ending a bad thing. If people worked their asses off to get a perfect ME 1 and ME 2 save file and they feel they deserve it because of the extra effort they took then why not.
I already had a feeling shepard would die, the whole london scene gave that feeling especially the part where you could contact off site squadmates and take good bye from them.
Its not that i dont like bad endings
Red dead redemption had a bad ending i liked
thatdude90210
Regular
We go into ME3 knowing full well that Shepard might not survive. But we also go in being told that Shepard is relieved of command because he blew up a relay causing 300,000 deaths. So we end ME3 blowing up all relays, probably causing an untold number of deaths. What? That's not just unhappy ending, that's bad story telling.
And I get that maybe the devs may be tire of doing ME games, but don't trash the place when you leave.
And I get that maybe the devs may be tire of doing ME games, but don't trash the place when you leave.
dragonelite
Veteran
Atleast have the dignity to give the fans closure and not prompt them to buy dlc after credits 
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And then the space casper you went from cool awesome hero to a hero that got kick in the balls and is not allowed to choose a Red,Green or Blue pill too sedate the pain.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1093026/images/general/homer-kick-in-the-crotch.gif
.And then the space casper you went from cool awesome hero to a hero that got kick in the balls and is not allowed to choose a Red,Green or Blue pill too sedate the pain.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1093026/images/general/homer-kick-in-the-crotch.gif
You can call it a plot hole with the destruction of the Mass Effect relays at the end, but it's pretty obvious that it was not meant to imply you wiped out the universe. The game really doesn't have a sad ending. The universe is changed, but you accomplish what you'd set out to do, which is save civilization. You can ask questions like, "What happened to all of the ships around Earth?” but it really does not matter. The only complaint that's raised frequently that I agree with is wondering where the Normandy was going when it was hit by that shock wave. It just seems awkward, like they wanted that scene with the Normandy crashed on that lush planet, but couldn't figure out how to get it there. I would consider it a fairly minor problem, especially relative to the 100+ hours the series had gotten right beforehand.
Atleast have the dignity to give the fans closure and not prompt them to buy dlc after credits
This is a complaint I've seen repeated that makes little to no sense to me.
It's not about good or bad ... it's about better or worse and the audience has spoken, this is worse. Bioware has done better in the past for the part of their paying audience willing to discuss the games on their forums, the current shit storm is unprecedented (even worse than DA2).
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And I'm saying you've fallen into the trap of believing your opinion is representative of the majority of people who have played this game. If you believed forum posts, WoW is the worst balanced piece of crap ever and should not have lasted the first year. The fact is that the people who are happy with the games generally do not venture to the forums to post that information, so what you get on the forums are the disgruntled minority who make a lot of noise but have very little real impact and aren't at all representative of the millions who play the games.
I'm not judging it in absolute terms ... I've been on their forums since NWN and this has never happened. The ending has never been discussed this much or this negatively for any game they have, the current amount of discussion on the ending probably exceeds that of all their previous games combined at this point.
Silent_Buddha
Legend
I dunno, I'd say forum posts, blog posts, and Real Life conversations with people who have played it in real life lend a bit of credence to this being by far the worst story and ending for a gaming trilogy that started off so promisingly.
People that like it in my experience are in the vast minority. And this even coming from people at a recent LAN that, unlike me, loved ME2 (go figure, shooter fans liking the changes in ME2) but absolutely hate the ending in ME3.
I usually tend to agree that you shouldn't trust what gets said in forums. Especially since what gets said in forums so rarely matches up with what I hear in real life.
Unfortunately for Bioware, this is one rare occasion when the furor on the forums almost exactly matches what I'm hearing in real life.
Regards,
SB
Just finished the game... Really enjoyed it and the series as a whole.
This series is now firmly in my top three games of this console generation!
3rd game had a solid storyline throughout (almost as good as the first game)... I actually gave a damn about new characters on my team (which is the sign of a good stand alone game) and still cared about the characters from earlier games (which is the sign of a great series).
I had no issues with the ending tbh. It wasn't exactly what I thought it was building up to but I quite liked that... Thumbs up from me at least.
This series is now firmly in my top three games of this console generation!
3rd game had a solid storyline throughout (almost as good as the first game)... I actually gave a damn about new characters on my team (which is the sign of a good stand alone game) and still cared about the characters from earlier games (which is the sign of a great series).
I had no issues with the ending tbh. It wasn't exactly what I thought it was building up to but I quite liked that... Thumbs up from me at least.
