Leipzig confrence
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128MB or 256MB flash storage does replace a HDD, to a limit at least.
Ok, you can't put much custom soundtracks there, but for the average user I can see a 256 MB memory card wouild last about one year when used for downloadable content and game saves.
When the card gets full, he buys another, possibly a bigger one.. or even a harddrive.
I don't see the HD really as a big deal, even as it's missing from every retail xbox360.
I believe the games like "Elder Scrolls Oblivion" can easily be playable with a biggish memory card, if the HD's main advantage over memorycard would be data caching (would that only make the programming harder, I mean all those multithreads and caching on top of that... I really don't know, I'm no programmer.. just a thought) and custom soundtracks... I'm actually glad they don't force it to everybody who really has little need for it.
It would seem you'll anyway be able to use the PC as a mass storage and stream from there, not as good as local storage of course but for many a better option to keep it centralized.
To me it looks like the motive for many of those who have been overly vocal pro the standard included xbox360 HD, has been mainly that they've seen the HD as one of the major strong blows against PS3 and a powerful weapon against Sony's success, even though they really wouldn't have that much need for the HD personally.
Now that it seems that "advantage" is gone, they are disappointed and afraid they've lost an important weapon against PS3 in the console wars
Ok, you can't put much custom soundtracks there, but for the average user I can see a 256 MB memory card wouild last about one year when used for downloadable content and game saves.
When the card gets full, he buys another, possibly a bigger one.. or even a harddrive.
I don't see the HD really as a big deal, even as it's missing from every retail xbox360.
I believe the games like "Elder Scrolls Oblivion" can easily be playable with a biggish memory card, if the HD's main advantage over memorycard would be data caching (would that only make the programming harder, I mean all those multithreads and caching on top of that... I really don't know, I'm no programmer.. just a thought) and custom soundtracks... I'm actually glad they don't force it to everybody who really has little need for it.
It would seem you'll anyway be able to use the PC as a mass storage and stream from there, not as good as local storage of course but for many a better option to keep it centralized.
To me it looks like the motive for many of those who have been overly vocal pro the standard included xbox360 HD, has been mainly that they've seen the HD as one of the major strong blows against PS3 and a powerful weapon against Sony's success, even though they really wouldn't have that much need for the HD personally.
Now that it seems that "advantage" is gone, they are disappointed and afraid they've lost an important weapon against PS3 in the console wars
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jvd said:
What I am saying is the one they pack in, is to be an internal drive like the original Xbox.
Then you can still have the external plug, so people wishing to get 75 GB drive, can get it and have the 20 GB unit internal as well as the 75GB unit. So they have two Hdd. And that 20 GB internal will be with every X360 sold.
That would be alot cheaper compare to 20 GB external Hdd that MS need to pack in with every X360 currently. This is assuming if the 20 GB is standard of course.
If it isn't, the current method is cheaper and make more sense obviously.
jvd said:
In fact it is scary to see how many things Sony could do to screw MS.
Seriously is MS is stupid enough to launch a stripped down version of the Xbox 360 for $299, then their so called early release will be worthless.
They should have taken one more year to design the damned machine and release a product cleary more powerful than the PS3.
At least the machine power will justify a $299 price without hardrive and wireless controlers.
I am seriously really wondering if i will buy any next gen console.
Nick Laslett
Regular
If Sony do included the HD that would be really funny.
This gen we have Xbox most powerful console, superior Nvida GPU and built in hard drive.
Next gen we could have PS3 most powerful console, Nvida GPU and built in Hard drive.
I don't think it would happen, but MS have given Sony an advantage not including the HD as standard.
Of course we still need official confirmation.
This gen we have Xbox most powerful console, superior Nvida GPU and built in hard drive.
Next gen we could have PS3 most powerful console, Nvida GPU and built in Hard drive.
I don't think it would happen, but MS have given Sony an advantage not including the HD as standard.
Of course we still need official confirmation.
Xenon_Oxide
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seeing this makes me think sony is going to fold
jvd said:
Don't forget that they can also increase the XDR or the GDDR3 to 512 MB and launch the console at $399.With an already more powerful CPU,a next gen DVD drive,a potentially more powerful GPU,more ram would once for all show the PS3 as the most powerful next gen console.
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Java_man said:
Wait hold on . Sony who has the bigger transitor counts , who has the more expensive ram who has the more expensive optical drive ... is going to add more to the system to increase its price even more ?
I doubt it . Sony doesn't have to do anything now . They just need to release at 400$ and mabye offer a hardrive bundle for 450$ and really hurt ms .
jvd said:
How would that hurt MS? MS surely will drop the price 50$ or more until PS3 release. Those who want a PS3 will get one anyway (same can be said for XBox). The advantage of a HDD is WAY overblown and aint interesting most people. If i`d had to choose between a standard 50$ HDD and a 50$ Mem-Expansion, I`d choose the latter, additional 256 MB Ram would make more difference on Next-gen Powerhouses.
I think it would be more of a blow to MS if Sony would allow standard Peripherials to work with PS3. Would be surely alot cheaper. Add PS3-Linux at start on top and you`ll see the whole Homebrew-Scene running for it.
we are talking about the possible things and with anyalists saying 494 already for the ps3 while they were claiming 375$ for the xbox 360 i don't see how they can add more .Java_man said:
Even if they add gdr ram that is still 256 megs more xdr ram than the xbox 360 . xdr will cost more . So while the gdr ram prices are equal u have that extra 256 megs of ram of more expensive memory
Ms is going to drop the price of xbox 360 4 months after it launches ? I doubt it . That would look very very bad .
I think your underestimating the hardrive. The hardrive can open up new types of games for the user and many more features .
Not only that but its alot easier than just throwing in another 256 megs of ram
more like 6-8 months. Wonna bet on a price-drop ?jvd said:
Features - right and I dont care for standard features, ill get one eventually when I see the need for it.jvd said:
Games - would make job easier for devs, but wont have any significant limits IMHO. Nextgen games will hopefully use procedurally generated Geometry & Textures, the biggest limit is available System RAM. And adding RAM is something any Game will benefit from - it would show even in first-gen Titles.
A sigificant benefit of XDR-Ram is that it uses relatively few lanes and aint sensible to layout - should be hard to add 2 chips of those. If future bigger Mem-Chips will be available, so they could be back to 2 Chips after a few revisions. They also will fall in cost faster than a HD.jvd said:
a HDD is just fine as optional Accessory.
Folks, let's keep the discussion about the X360 price in one place only, in this thread, for instance:
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22730
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22730
