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No i don't think so . I don't think there will be a hd-dvd drive . IF this is true (which i dunn oabout since no one else has picked it up and the anouncment shouldn't be made till 2:30pm there) then this is bad news for ms . No standard hardrive is a poor move on both ms's and sonys part . If true they should have taken out the remote , head set and other stupid stuff and put in the hardrive and just sell for 360$ and be done . No stripped down version. It would still have sold .
Anyway I don't get the wired controller in the 300$ bundle . I though they said the wireless would come standard
Anyway I don't get the wired controller in the 300$ bundle . I though they said the wireless would come standard
Bad_Boy said:
Well thats just the thing . Ther eis no link to any press release which ms would link and a news paper would refernce it and the fact that no announcment has been made nor has any gaming website picked up the story makes me skeptical . This could just be from the same analyst he quotes
If they are indeed releasing with two versions, then it is clear as sky that the cheaper, base version would be one with just the absolute necessaries included.
Base version xbox360, no HDD, one wired controller, composite video cable and power cable included, nothing else.
From the day MS announced there would also be a wired controller available (was it a month or so ago? I think that info was linked by jvd
), to me that was a 100% clear indication that they'd also plan on launching with a retail version without wireless controllers and other "addons" including harddrive.
Why else would they've bothered making a wired controller if the basic version already had wirelesses? They could've just included the wireless controller with a detachable (usb?) cable.
Wired controller = cheaper to manufacture = to be put into the launch "stripped down" retail box.
This lead to speculations what else they could remove from the cheaper launch box... hmmm... only the removal of HD would make sense to make the retail boxes different enough in price...BINGO! There'll be two launch retail boxes: one with HD and other witout HD, no doubt about that.
I know it's easy to say "I said so" (especially as there still isn't nothing 100% confirmed by MS themselves) but looking back, and "analyzing" what MS has been doing and saying, it's been clear that MS have all the time been thinking of launching with two versions; the vagueness in comments for backwards compatibility, No inbuilt WiFi, The HD being so very external to the design for easy installation, even the two versions of "Live", ..... the much talked about "customability" and "personalization" of your xbox, that is not just the faceplates, but being able to "build up" the base model to meet your needs... the fact that you can strip down the xbox360 so that there's very little of extra accessories, which can although always be very easily installed later by the customer.
If a company is to launch with two versions, there's no sense for any company to release versions that are very close together price and "included accessory"-wise. It's always the cheap(er) very stripped down base version and the other which has one or two bigger accesories and is about $150-$200 extra.
Base version xbox360, no HDD, one wired controller, composite video cable and power cable included, nothing else.
From the day MS announced there would also be a wired controller available (was it a month or so ago? I think that info was linked by jvd
), to me that was a 100% clear indication that they'd also plan on launching with a retail version without wireless controllers and other "addons" including harddrive. Why else would they've bothered making a wired controller if the basic version already had wirelesses? They could've just included the wireless controller with a detachable (usb?) cable.
Wired controller = cheaper to manufacture = to be put into the launch "stripped down" retail box.
This lead to speculations what else they could remove from the cheaper launch box... hmmm... only the removal of HD would make sense to make the retail boxes different enough in price...BINGO! There'll be two launch retail boxes: one with HD and other witout HD, no doubt about that.
I know it's easy to say "I said so" (especially as there still isn't nothing 100% confirmed by MS themselves) but looking back, and "analyzing" what MS has been doing and saying, it's been clear that MS have all the time been thinking of launching with two versions; the vagueness in comments for backwards compatibility, No inbuilt WiFi, The HD being so very external to the design for easy installation, even the two versions of "Live", ..... the much talked about "customability" and "personalization" of your xbox, that is not just the faceplates, but being able to "build up" the base model to meet your needs... the fact that you can strip down the xbox360 so that there's very little of extra accessories, which can although always be very easily installed later by the customer.
If a company is to launch with two versions, there's no sense for any company to release versions that are very close together price and "included accessory"-wise. It's always the cheap(er) very stripped down base version and the other which has one or two bigger accesories and is about $150-$200 extra.
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rabidrabbit said:
I think you got a point there, I wasn't aware about the wired controller, I always assumed it would be wireless as standard and you can wired the wireless controller if you wished. If that is the case, X360 is more like Gamecube with Wavebird and its original controller.
Also with regard to HD, if MS wanted the HD as standard, it would definitely be cheaper for them to go with internal HD like Xbox, instead of what they have now.
It may also be a strategy to offset cost, like Sony did with the 2 different bundle of PSP in Japan. Lose some in $299 pack and gained some in $399 pack, something along that line.
BUt it splitnters your base and makes it worthless . THey were better off just selling one version at cost .
As for the external hardrive it allows them to make moeny off people upgrading. Instead of leting hackers upgrade to standard drives you can now sell the drive and make money off people
This is all speculation about a marketting theory I think. Do the actual figures... figure? Or are they convenient matches for preconcieved ideas?
$100 taken off for the exclusion of a 20gig drive & a wired controller? Or do you think there's other unknowns to this (if the rumour is true of course)?
Wait and see I suppose.
$100 taken off for the exclusion of a 20gig drive & a wired controller? Or do you think there's other unknowns to this (if the rumour is true of course)?
Wait and see I suppose.
I'm expecting a fair few complaints of people buying games and finding they don't work, not realising they need an HDD. Little icons on the back of boxes often go overlooked. Plus there's a schism in user-base now. Those writing for HDD might find they don't have as large an installer base as they hoped for. I guess that's why MS have said 'don't expect an HDD to be present'.
jvd said:
They can still have that plug for external HD for people to upgrade and have secondary HD. Just for the one that come standard with the console, it will be cheaper if it is internal like the original Xbox, as oppose to external like PS2.
BTW what ever happend to that alternative, I am thinking of those large capacity memory card that was going to be the Hdd that we discussed here ages ago, those would be cheaper too in the long run. What happend to that option I wonder ?
the hardrive unless bundled is never going to be 1:1 hell i'd be suprised if it sells 1 hardrive for every 10 consoles .
If you haven't noticed the ps2 hardrive failed . This means on the xbox 360 less games will be developed to use the hardrive. I don't care about a more expensive model . Just as long as the base came with a hdd it wouldn't splinter the market .
Would be more expensive . Some mmorpgs will need over a gig . So your looking at 80$ just for one game where u can prob buy a 20 gig hardrive for that price on the system .
M-Systems ... http://www.m-systems.com/site/en-US/PC-Engine said:
They appear to have 3 flash systems - FFD, Onchip, and OnKey. OnChip is embedded and FFD cost $thousands. OnKey is a USB keydrive. I don't know where they feature in XB360, unless it's a proprietary format based on their USB tech? Certainly seems to have no big impact on the system, contrary to hopes when M-Systems were announced and there was all that talk of Flash storage replacing an HDD.
jvd said:
I think you are missing my point, my point was internal Hdd would be alot cheaper for them, if they really wanted the Hdd as standard with every X360. Even with internal Hdd as standard, they can still have the plug for external Hdd as an upgrade option, if MS wishes to make extra money on the side.
V3 said:
Na didn't miss understand . We are looking at the wrong replys from each other .
Intergrated may have been better . Esp if they could have hid the bulk of the drive some how and put a standard drive in there . However external is better because they can make money off bigger drivers .
I.e pack in 20 gigs on the unit . Then sell a 40 gig hardrive for say 75 and a 60 gig drive for 150$ . They would make more that way
