I want us men to be a lot more united

And some more...

 

How do you know what a woman's "nature" is? Who are you to decide what their life should be? They can do whatever the hell they want.

That was honestly the stupidest thing I've ever read. I'm pissed that you stole that minute of my life from me. If you think men were never concerned about women, and that women never factored into the thoughts of men throughout history, go read a god damned book. As for feminists being ugly women haters, well, I know quite a few hot feminists who most definitely do not hate femininity or women in general.

"Do you believe it is wrong to advance on a woman, sexually, with no verbal consent?" WTF?!?!?!? I think the sorry ass that wrote this is just upset that he can't score with girls because they have dignity. He complains about feminists getting fat. I think that's more of a health issue in North America than anything else. I don't see the guys staying fit and trim, or is this some weird "natural" double standard that only applies to women? It's in our nature to get fat and ugly, while women have to work hard and stay fit to please us.

You've got some serious problems, dude. These are the writings of a sour-grapes misogynist propagandist. You'd be far better off getting to know women and enjoying their company.

 

The lack of formatting is a travesty!

P.S. The original poster would probably love that forum, but it looks like a closet sausage fest to me.

 

Ask (mature) women, they'll tell you.

Me? None that I knew of, and certainly not such that I would get outraged about anything anyone said or start telling people that they "have serious problems". Seems rather like YOU have some old wounds which the article poked.

No. That is just how you perceive it. Try reading it without bias and without only understanding everything as purely black & white. There are shades in between. The guy is anything but a misogynist, quite the opposite.

And I have enjoyed the company of many hot women and still do, don't worry about me.

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As for formatting, I copied the stuff from a PDF and it got lost - I'm too lazy to edit everything myself

 

What? Of course they'll tell me, because they have the right to decide for themselves.

No deep wounds here. I don't have any problems with myself or women. I just think you have a seriously skewed viewed of what a feminist is and what they want. And if you agree with any of what that article says, you have some serious problems with treating women as equals.

I have strong opinions on this issue. Women are different than men, but that doesn't mean they can't play equal roles in society. This guy was writing garbage, through and through. He doesn't understand women at all.

 

He understands women way better then most men I met in my life and many women confirmed that as well (I discuss these topics with many women as a sort of additional sanity-check). I'm a passionate hobby-psychologist by the way, I read many, many books on human behaviour and tested much of it in real life as well.

Maybe it's the word feminist troubling us here, the ones I'm talking about are the extreme, militant "all-men-are-garbage" sort. Not the ones who are "just" fighting for equality in the society, job etc. And at least here in Germany, we have pretty much only the "militant" sort. These want to revese the roles and to rule men, which is just as bad as the opposite discrimination we had until the 20th century.

 

I highly doubt that you only have the militant type, and why even concern yourself with extremists who exist in a minute minority? If their numbers are so small, and no one else is in agreement with them, then their opinion hardly has any bearing on society then, does it?

This guys writing hardly seems to be attack extreme feminists as he is feminists in general.

Personally, I find this kind of writing very offensive. I look on it the same way I do any other form of bigotry. He downplays the oppression of women, the wage gap and the struggles women have faced rising in the workforce in which they've only recently been accepted. This guy is dreaming for a past where women didn't have any choice in how they were going to live their lives, and no one should listen to him.

 

Not true, he explicitly is against oppression of women and so on (mentioned many times in other articles, too) but against the stupid kind of feminism.

He took the militant type for the sake of discussion, that's understandable. There would be nothing to argue about with the "normal" type, since there's nothing wrong with their views.

And those militant types really have a huge influence here, also through their own media presence (mags, TV-shows etc.), because people went from one extreme straight into the opposite. Google for Alice Schwarzer if you're interested.

What they achieved is that anything "manly" a man does or says is being treated as chauvinistic. The "manliness" is being systematically denied throughout the education, media etc. The healthy male sexuality is being declared "dirty" and "wrong" - that is the ridiculous thing. Being a man is declared a bad thing nowadays, while women can act however they will without any such limits. What was that about equality again?

 

Well for me, isms of all kind ( feminism, capitalism, whateverism you get the point) are quite unhealthy when someone attaches his views on them. Most of the times the only think he/she actually does is narrow his mind because lets face it, every ism comes with restrictions.
I'm in no way saying that those theories shouldn't exist or that we shouldn't know about them.
Most people like to categorise the rest of the world. It makes their lives easier. But by categorising you never actually understand the whys and the hows. And this for me, is the beginning of all problems.
I like to treat every person as a completely different category all by themselves. Of course I will give priority to people I like and to people I really don’t. Most of the times asking why I like him or her and why I don’t, will tell me everything there is to know about myself.
As for the rest, I don’t know. And by the looks of it, I don’t care to find out. I sure as hell won’t judge them for my ignorance though.

 

What really amazes me though, is the concern about manliness and the likes…
I’d be certain that a man would know what is “manlyâ€￾ for himself. So what is the concern all about?
Triple X, I’m not concerned, can you help me understand why you are?

 

Maybe the situation is way different in Germany, but I don't think being a man has been declared a bad thing in North America. Being a man in North America is probably still advantageous, if anything.

There are some extreme feminists that are very anti-male, and I disagree with that as it's not a movement for equality. Depending on what you define as "manly" or how you define male sexuality, I may agree that attacking those things is wrong. The other thing to remember is that male sexuality and the idea of manliness is different across cultures, and has changed throughout history. It is not a static idea and their is no "true" male behaviour. To pick one era of history as the ideal can never be the considered the correct behaviour.

This is a heavily biased piece of writing, and discredits feminists in general. How an "article" with quotes as such, "A feminist stands. (Note: she is fat and ugly with a poisonous personality as most feminists are)," could ever be considered informative or worth reading, is beyond me.

Here is another shining example from the article: "I only agree with the D.C. sniper with ONE thing he said: "Oprah Winfrey will cause the downfall of Mankind." " When has Oprah ever been anti-male? She is a strong empowered woman, but certainly not anti-male in any way.

The following quote is an attack of even moderate feminism:
"A male of this time may be one of them. -Do you believe it is wrong to judge a woman by how she looks? -Do you believe it is wrong to advance on a woman, sexually, with no verbal consent? -Do you believe women have been 'discriminated' because of their gender, that males intentionally put women down? -Do you believe that in sex, it is wrong to even consider to 'have your way with her' and become and be the sensuous animal you've always dreamed? -Do you believe women desire, as priority, respect? "If you believe in any of these things, even just a little, you have been affected by Modern Feminism. It is the virus that creates the effects known as Nice Guyius Patheticus! "Women are judged on looks because YOU are judged on your looks (and women are much harsher about it!)."


I'm not really sure how the following two quotes can go hand in hand:

"Some people here have said, 'Pook! Why do you bring in things like literature and 'historic men' into this site? What do these have to do with anything?' They have everything to do with this site, for the majority of us are learning to embrace our sexuality, of both men and women. You can see sexuality as the key to the genius of Michelangelo's David and the dazzling energy and insight of Shakespeare."

"“Thank you, Your Honor. Many men are afflicted with the disease known as Nice Guyius Patheticus. Now, the symptoms of such disease are awful. The afflicted male will sacrifice dead plants as tokens of affection, write bad poetry, will speak in a language of banquets, and act like a fool in every and all ways.â€￾

Writing poetry and being a romantic was at many times considered a very "manly" thing to do. If anything, that has all fallen by the way side and most guys will call you a "fag" if you have any interest in them.


Anyway, this article is crap through and through and doesn't contain an ounce of honest thought or value.

 

I agree with almost everything in your post. The above is what I agree the most with. I'm sorry if I'm repeating my self, but I do find it funny that some people think that their definition is the only one that exists or should exist for that matter.
And to go even further, IMO there are 2 reasons for the above. Either that someone is uneducated on the matter (perhaps never gave it the thought it deserves?) or they are uncertain of themselves (are in need of some general guidelines on how they should behave when in fact they, in this case, belong without question to that biological group called men).

 

You know, the author really shouldn't use Michaelangelo for reference when it comes to masculinism versus feminism. Good old Miky was in love with the male form and wasn't as interested in the female form. That's why you see Miky's paintings and sculptures of women as nothing more than men with boobs placed oddly on.

Ohhhh....nice guy syndrome! You mean guys that are geeks who can't get chicks because they are too uncomfortable with their own sexuality and turn off women and end up in friend/brother status? Gotcha! Good thing that's a changing these days as many a geek here in this city and the Bay Area are able to pick up some really nice looking ladies and they don't have to be a stereotypical manly/alpha man to get them. Good for the geeks!

Man-hating militant women are a problem I am sure, but come on...it's not like the majority of us take them seriously and just laugh at them and walk on.

 

Who said I'm concerned? The thread starter is, I'm just discussing the topic.

 

He always writes his stuff as a sort of fairy tales, thus the cartoony-exaggerated characters to bring the point across, just like any "writer" does. That is just a funny package, you do posess enough imagination to look below the surface I believe. His nichname is Pook after all, doesn't that ring a bell? It is a trollish, provocative story and meant as such.

Both I and him are talking about the biological side of things, not the social. Also, being a manly man is irelevant to women, it's about the behaviour and relationships to other men. And those drives need to be known to you, otherwise you would not be able to control them. Thus you have to understand your sexuality in order to be able to conciously control yourself and use your sexuality in a mature manner. That is what the speech is about. But the "militant" feminists want to create an androgynous man which can be used for fun as needed but otherwise would be like a puppy all the time and women would have all the power. No real woman wants that and no man should ever act like that for anyone. There must be some self respect.

EDIT: About the comments above: respect to women is simply not the same thing, the semantics are different. In the big, generalized picture of things men are measured on their success and strive for action in their activities. Woman are all about social relations, positioning, networking and having a dependable, loving man behind them. Someone who does everything for a woman while obviously sacrificing his time, hobbys, money etc. in order to win or actually buy her love is a pathetic, sneaky manipulator and not a man. But that's what they produced here in Germany is HUGE numbers in the last few decades. Just now the new generation of men are recovering from that slowly.

Sonic: but those geeks are making serious money, that's the difference. And they also all read David DeAngelo's pickup-artist stuff or such nowadays, so they at least aren't completely clueless.

 

I really don't know what exactly the thread starter had in mind...
Perhaps that some things you can do easier with a man (like play first person shooters for example) than with a woman?
To an extend I can relate and agree with that. Thankfully no woman I know will ask me to go through the latest issue of Vogue with her to keep her company…

I’m giving a lot of emphasis on “had in mindâ€￾ because from the posts themselves I can’t actually figure out what exactly he was trying to say…

 

Yes they are completely clueless and no not all of them make bucket loads of money. The simple truth is many a lady happen to like extremely emotional men who make a big deal out of every little thing. I guess it could be a reversal of roles of some such...because a lot of these women are more outgoing, confident, and a hell of a lot more fun to be around. I'm talking about women who make between 50k to upwards of six figures in the US going for a nerdy geek who plays D&D and works at a local book store for a living. I'm not talking about classic computer nerds here but all geeks from D&D. I dunno, I don't see many women around here hanging onto men that fit the stereotypical jock/jerk fashion.

Oh yeah, these women are professional businesswomen. The art chicks go for the art guys usually.

 

It's quite informative to get underneath the skin of women like this. Very interesting.

 

Especially when the guy finds out who she actually has sex with when she goes for the "girl's night out" or to the granny's birthday

 

I never said these women didn't cheat. Afterall, they are human and if their needs aren't being satisfied they'll look elsewhere just like us men. I mean, you've cheated on a girlfriend or two in the past haven't you?