Formula 1 - 2021 Season

Jay said:
I hope so too. Then max will get another DNF while Lewis goes on to win. (edit - think I should add I obviously don't think it's a good idea)
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Yeah if the roles were reversed I'ld wager max would of been the one crashing and lewis driving off into the sunset, after all his nickname is max vercrashen ain't it?
At least now this season its become a bit more interesting
 
Jay said:
I hope so too. Then max will get another DNF while Lewis goes on to win. (edit - think I should add I obviously don't think it's a good idea)

Anybody that thinks you can do that and guarantee that you don't come out worse or the same hasn't watched much F1 over the years.

Max does overly aggressive moves all the time, but most drivers give way as they know he is less likely to give way.
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He's in front of Hamilton in the championship so all he has to do if Hamilton is in front is make sure Hamilton doesn't finish. Doesn't really matter if he finishes or not. Same logical applied by Hamilton last race. Verstappen in front means more points loss so worst case for Hamilton the point gap wasn't going to increase and best case... well that's what he got.

Anyway it's rather silly to keep people saying Verstappen does over aggressive moves all the time. If that was true than how come he has 0 points on his license while Hamilton has 4 or Norris like 10 or something?
 
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tongue_of_colicab said:
He's in front of Hamilton in the championship so all he has to do if Hamilton is in front is make sure Hamilton doesn't finish.
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Easier said than done, be intresting to see him try and eather come out worse off or get penalty for trying. Or maybe it works, if he does it I suspect I wouldn't see it as him purposely talking him out unless proven to be the case. I would see it as him pushing too hard.

If roles was reversed Lewis would've gave even more space or backed out as he would've played the long game of knowing coming in behind max would be a better result than not finishing.
But that comes from experience of securing championships.
 
Yeah right. The only reason why Hamilton has been doing that is because he knew he had no real opposition. Now he has for the first time in a long time and see what happened.
 
tongue_of_colicab said:
Yeah right. The only reason why Hamilton has been doing that is because he knew he had no real opposition. Now he has for the first time in a long time and see what happened.
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And usually drivers know its max so know he'll not back down.

Your correct Lewis was able to do that because he was leading championships, now he's not so he can't, something max has hopefully learned about when you have a commanding lead.

I remember when Roseburg felt the exact same way and decided to be more aggressive against Lewis.

I just don't agree with people thinking people should be trying to take other people out, even for revenge. I'm ok with people having different views on the event.
 
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I feel like it was a racing incident (Hamilton slightly more but not wholly to blame, plus lap one), and Hamilton was given a penalty because of the result of the contact. It looks like Hamilton wanted to drive Verstappen off the track due to his "missing" the apex (which I thought was okay to do when it's "your" corner, aka you have the inside line, though the penalties in Austria seem to have walked that back) and Verstappen (taking his IMO typically aggressive "you decide if we crash" stance) assumed Hamilton would back out. It's possible Hamilton was given the penalty because he was wide of the apex knowing there's another car there and that the stewards view that kind of move differently this year (it seems they do, according to Masi).

There are similarities (entering a corner knowing there's a car trying to overtake you on the inside but turning in assuming too much of the other driver) to Brazil 2018 with Ocon, but that was at much lower speed and with a technically lapped (albeit faster at that time, hence the attempted overtake) car. Charlie Whiting's explanation for Ocon's 10 second stop-go (which may be the harshest penalty short of disqualification) was a bit strange, as nobody's expecting to pass Verstappen "without fighting."

If Hamilton were leading or tied for the championship, would he have been as cautious as he had been earlier in this year and backed out? Maybe, especially since it was two Mercedes against one Red Bull. But Hamilton's behind in the championship and doesn't think Mercedes will develop the car much more, so he had slightly less to lose. Isn't that the "aggressive" philosophy Max has used? Scare your opponents when being penalized doesn't matter so that you can reap the benefits of being feared when championships are on the line.

It was a scary accident, for sure, but they were both aware of each other and the high-speed nature of the corner. I'm not sure why the Tek Pro barrier ends a few meters from where Verstappen hit the wall. It seems like a tire failure could mean you hit the barrier in the same place.
 
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With regard to development, budget caps and new rules, are some teams more focused on securing the championship and less concerned about 2022 and 2023?
While Red Bull continue to bring new parts to their car, Mercedes have more or less stopped. This is a decision based on three significant rules situations.

One is the introduction of a budget cap for this season - teams have a maximum of $145m (£114m) to spend over the year, reducing to $140m in 2022 and $135m in 2023.
The second is the new rules for 2022, which introduce a completely new concept of car design in the hope of improving the racing.
And the third is the sliding scale of restrictions on permitted development, with the most successful teams allowed the least research and development and the least successful the most.

Wolff describes the decision to focus on 2022 as "very tricky" but also "rational".
"We have new regulations not only for next year but also the years to come," he said, "and a completely different car concept, and you've got to choose the right balance and pretty much everyone will be [working] on next year's car.
"Some may still bring stuff - I mean Red Bull brought vans with new parts Thursday and Friday and, fair enough, it's a strategy. One that proves to be successful as it stands because today they were simply in a league of their own, car pace-wise.
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If Mercedes are already focusing on their 2022 design, having decided that to work on this year's car would compromise next year too much, what does that say about the way Red Bull are balancing the two seasons?
This is the first time in eight years in which they have had a chance of the title. Have they decided to go all out this year at the cost of 2022?

Horner said: "I can't believe they will go through this year without putting a single component on their car. All we can do is focus on our job. Of course it is a balancing act between this year and next year, but if that means we all have to work bit harder, then the team is fully up for it."
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And there is a more immediate question for Mercedes. There will be a few more small updates to the car down the line, it is understood, but nothing like the amount Red Bull have brought to the last two or three races. So have they effectively already accepted their fate in 2021?

Wolff said: "They [Red Bull] will stop aero development at a certain stage because it would be dangerous to lose out for next year's championship. The fight is still full-on.
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https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/57632228
 
Accident aside it looks like the race is developing into a pretty interesting competition.
 
( For Sky 's commentary, Roseberg's completely uninspiring. Poor choice, IMO )

Great race though, maybe a glimpse into what can happen with reverse grid positions ;)
Alonso really shinned today

(Last edit, I promise ) Liked Seb's gesture of wearing a rainbow mask as a a little acknowledgement to what's going on these days on Hungary
 
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Well, that was a perfectly normal race. More, please!

I like Nico as a change of pace. I appreciate details that I haven’t picked up elsewhere, like his tire temp talk in quali. Maybe just Martin and Nico next time? Less of Crofty’s shrieking. It doesn’t convey excitement, only pain.
 
remember nico is not super experienced in commentating in english - i think his insights made up for his other failing as an expert commentator. he is more technical than other fill-ins such as button or (shudder) di resta or chandok

but what an incredible race that was, heartbreak for vettel lets see what the appeal is. hamilton on fire and verstappen really struggling with a broken car
and alonso showing the world that he is awesome :)

too bad my boi danny ric is struggling so much
 
Bludd said:
remember nico is not super experienced in commentating in english - i think his insights made up for his other failing as an expert commentator.
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I must have missed all those insights.
All I could hear were predictable one liners (e.g. "your team mate winning is the worst birthday gift") and obvious Lewis fanboy-ism.
IMO he's good for interviewing people - even if he doesn' t ask the most original questions he doesn't let people get away without answering.
 
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