Formula 1 - 2010 Season

I am rooting for Alonso to win the championship, but if he can't win I want to see Webber win.

Petrov was penalised for crashing into the Hülk and Massa wasn't for crashing into Liuzzi. I think both decisions were fine, because Petrov just moved too early while Massa was forced off the road on the inside of the corner and hit the kerb making him go straight into Liuzzi.

So is Hamilton going to get another gearbox penalty for the next race? His 3rd gear was broken so, I assume it is a completely new gearbox for next race? Can they change whatever is wrong inside with FIA approval?
 
Yeah, but all you need is money and you can buy anyone off as seen from Santander buying spot for Alonso (year early)
It helped that Ferrari was disillusioned with Kimi and that Kimi was fed up with the F1 life. He loves the racing, but not the secondary duties as talking to people (media) and doing promotional stuff.

It is not as if Kimi did not get compensated.
 
It helped that Ferrari was disillusioned with Kimi and that Kimi was fed up with the F1 life. He loves the racing, but not the secondary duties as talking to people (media) and doing promotional stuff.

It is not as if Kimi did not get compensated.

Yeah, he did get full salary apparently for this year anyway, but it was just to illustrate that even at Ferrari money talks when there's enough of it.
 
Yeah, he did get full salary apparently for this year anyway, but it was just to illustrate that even at Ferrari money talks when there's enough of it.
It is like that everywhere in F1.

I am starting to doubt we'll see Massa in a Ferrari next year. It is a niggling doubt, not a massive one, but still.
 
I doubt that. Who can they get as a replacement? All the top drivers have contracts signed for next year. You can't/don't want to get one of the RBR, Mclaren or Mercedes drivers so the only good driver left is Kubica but that would probably cost Ferrari and is there really a good reason for getting Kubica now? Massa is more than capable enough he just didn't have a great start of the season (not suprising) and basically his performance only went really downhill once Ferrari told him to help Alonso out the rest of the season.
 
If Massa was going to be replaced, there would have been rumours going around media all season, which hasn't. Nobody in media doubts about Massa's future and they expect him to be there next season, which is in my opinion is very likely to happen.
 
So is Hamilton going to get another gearbox penalty for the next race? His 3rd gear was broken so, I assume it is a completely new gearbox for next race? Can they change whatever is wrong inside with FIA approval?

When the BBC interviewed Martin Whitmarsh after the race he said that because of the fact that they took the penalty at this race and it failed then they won't get a penalty at the next race when they use a new one again. I haven't seen that repeated anywhere but he seemed sure of it himself.
 
Probably yes. Though in that case they never explained to rule very well. Atleast not for the normal viewer who doesn't go about reading the actual rule book. Still in some way its akward I think. The rule is there to make sure gearboxes last a x amount of races so you'd think the penalty would be linked to every new gearbox you need but it seems that it is more related to the race weekend.
 
Here are the sporting regs for gearboxes
For the purposes of this Article only, an Event will be deemed to comprise P3, the qualifying practice
session and the race.

a) Each driver may use no more than one gearbox for four consecutive Events in which his team
competes. Should a driver use a replacement gearbox he will drop five places on the starting grid at
that Event and an additional five places each time a further gearbox is used.

Any replacement gearbox must be fitted with the same gear ratios that were declared under d) below
and will only be required to complete the remainder of the Event in question. Any change to the gear
ratios declared under d) below will incur a further five grid place penalty. In either case a new four
race sequence may start at the following Event.

Unless the driver fails to finish the race (see below) the gearbox fitted to the car at the end of the
Event must remain in it for three further Events. Any driver who failed to finish the race at the first,
second or third of the four Events for reasons which the technical delegate accepts as being beyond
the control of the team or driver, may start the following Event with a different gearbox without a
penalty being incurred.

A gearbox will be deemed to have been used once the car’s timing transponder has shown that it has
left the pit lane.

b) If a driver is replaced after the first, second or third of a four Event period, having finished the first,
second or third Events, the replacement driver must use the gearbox which the original driver had
been using.

c) After consultation with the relevant team the FIA will attach seals to each gearbox in order to ensure
that no moving parts, other than those specifically permitted under d) below, can be rebuilt or
replaced.

d) At each Event seals may be broken once, under supervision and at any time prior to the second day
of practice, for the sole purpose of changing gear ratios and dog rings (excluding final drives or
reduction gears). Competitors must inform the FIA technical delegate which ratios they intend to fit no
later than two hours after the end of P2.

Gear ratios and dog rings (excluding final drives or reduction gears) may also be changed under
supervision for others of identical specification at any time during an Event provided the FIA technical
delegate is satisfied there is evident physical damage to the parts in question and that such changes
are not being carried out on a systematic basis.

e) Other than under d) above, a replacement gearbox will also be deemed to have been used if any of
the FIA seals are damaged or removed from the original gearbox after it has been used for the first
time.
 
There are two reasons I think:

1.)
Gear ratios and dog rings (excluding final drives or reduction gears) may also be changed under supervision for others of identical specification at any time during an Event provided the FIA technical delegate is satisfied there is evident physical damage to the parts in question and that such changes are not being carried out on a systematic basis.

2.)
The 'event' is classified as P3 to the end of the race, so a change for P1 next race could be classified as a second change in the preceeding event and therefore already penalised.
 
The rule is there to make sure gearboxes last a x amount of races so you'd think the penalty would be linked to every new gearbox you need but it seems that it is more related to the race weekend.

Hamiltons previous gearbox had actually lasted for four races already, but they decided to go five races with it, then they changed their minds and got the penalty, because they changed the box too late.(not sure if everyone knew this :))

So I think that one penalty is enough from this.
 
Hamiltons previous gearbox had actually lasted for four races already, but they decided to go five races with it, then they changed their minds and got the penalty, because they changed the box too late.(not sure if everyone knew this :))

So I think that one penalty is enough from this.

I though they had a loss of oil pressure in the gear box?
 
I though they had a loss of oil pressure in the gear box?

Well that probably is the reason why they changed their minds :) In any case the gearbox that got changed was in its fifth race weekend.

edit: Hmm I'm not so sure anymore about the gearbox. The finnish commentator said on TV that they had already raced four weekends with the old one, but it doesn't seem to add up...Unless this wasn't the first untimely gearbox change for them... Dunno.
 
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Holy crap, Red Bull magic at the very, very end of Q3. Top three separated by less than 0.2 seconds. Holy fuck. I thought Alonso had it because he improved on his last lap, but the Red Bulls are just ridiculous.

Top ten of the grid:
Vettel, Webber, Alonso, Hamilton, Rosberg, Massa, Button, Kubica, Schumacher, Barrichello
 
It was probably lucky for Alonso that Webber got to 2nd place, the track is really dirty as it's new and there's no other classes driving race before the F1 like often there is, and 2nd place is on the dirty side, while 1st and 3rd are on cleaner side
 
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