I think chavvdarrr is referring to Hamilton's very late decision to enter the pits. He was going through the last turn when he suddenly change direction and headed for the pit entry. It was probably a very late radio call, but he effectively went backwards on the track which is not really a good thing to do.
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They changed them to a softer spec.
I am not surprised Bridgestone is leaving, because they can only get bad publicity from being a single tyre supplier: if they provide good tyres for everyone the only time we hear about Bridgestone is when they have a failure, if they provide a tyre that is difficult to use for the teams (as we have now) that's all we hear about. Can't get heat into the tyres, too hard too soft, tyres don't work etc.
That was one incident, but another was later in the race when he entered at the same time as Vettel, he got in front of Vettel by not going between the white lines for the pit entry
This is very bad quality, but you can see how Hamilton took a shortcut to make sure he's in front of Vettel on entry
Didn't Alonso do exactly the same thing (to his teammate!) not long after that?
If you look at the external shots you'll see that Hamilton was still in front all the way through, defending his position.
Yes. And the difference here is that Alonso was not in front until that move (certinaly he's quite far alongside) and he had all 4 wheels over the white line as well. If nobody is crying foul at that then they shouldn't be crying foul over Hamilton.
What I think was the worst incident was when Vettel started edging Hamilton towards the inner lane of the pit lane. They were very right to be reprimanded. Vettel should not have edged Hamilton and Hamilton should have yielded earlier.
you are right bludd, vettel should've been punished in my opinion as what he did was potentially very dangerous with the risk for considerable loss of life. There was absolutely no need for him to sqeeze hamilton the way he did. i'm sure if hamilton had done it the drivers association would be sitting feathers about.
I was tempted to re-watch all the races so far to see how many overtaking moves Hamilton has actually made so far, but it looks like others have already done it:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/83074
I think thats an incredible statistic for so early in the season, especially seeing as its "so difficult to overtake" in F! these days!
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/83074
I think thats an incredible statistic for so early in the season, especially seeing as its "so difficult to overtake" in F! these days!
Hamilton is clearly one of the most aggressive drivers in F1 now. I wonder how many overtakes Alonso has done thus far. He too has had to fight from the back a lot thus far.
Barcelona is going to be a boring race, I reckon. It rarely rains there when the race is on and the track is very difficult to overtake on and it is a very aero-dependent circuit which is going to be very good to Red Bull if the status quo remains.
Barcelona is going to be a boring race, I reckon. It rarely rains there when the race is on and the track is very difficult to overtake on and it is a very aero-dependent circuit which is going to be very good to Red Bull if the status quo remains.
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Vettel should be penalised?
What for? For refusing to stay away from Hamilton's way? Vettel was between painted borders all the time, it was the other guy who was driving hundreds of meters outside the border line.
If that one was anyone else but Hamilton he'd be penalised.
Since when taking a shortcut is ok in F1? Because that is what Hamilton did on his first pit, he intentionally went through the grass.
Let's make a rule: no one dares to fight with Hamilton!
No one dares to overtake him, no one even dares to fight with him, just take off the road once you see him in the mirrors...
Don't block his road on red lights, they are for pussies and Hamilton is not - he goes ahead, even on red
Oh, and police should not make him blush if he overspeeds or makes ANY dangerous maneuvers - not even if he does that on public roads
After all the holy Bernie himself asked "stop talking what Hamilton did wrong, he is good guy" ...
How often had this happened before?
"favouritism", thats the word about Hamilton.
If you like that, well, do you like favouritism in real life?
Errrr, Vettel should be penalized for Hamilton almost smashing his side when exiting his pitslot?
Sure, Vettel could have moved more to left, but why should he, he left the pits first and was (even if slightly) ahead on Hamilton, heck, McLaren should have prevented Hamilton from leaving the slot at that point with current rules, even if he had some wheelspin, Vettel left his slot earlier, and you're not allowed (AFAIK) to let your driver leave pits if someone is too close and moving on the pits
And again, you're not allowed to take shortcuts in F1, yet Hamilton did (as did apparently some others who should have been penalized for it, too)
i am refering to the point where vetel attempted to nudge hamilton into the williams pit. They were released at the same time near as damn it if hamilton hadn't had spun his wheels he would've been ahead. That was fair by both drivers in my opinion, even driving down the pit side by side would've been ok as it was in the past with other drivers showing respect for each other. Vettel purposfully trying to intimidate hamilton will his actions was uncalled for. You can argue the toss about hamilton yeilding or whatever, but the fact remains he was side by side with vettel and vettels actions could've had disaterous results.
Vettel's stop was timed @ 10.4 secs, Hamilton's 10.3 secs (it doesn't include any wheelspins or such, it stops before those)
The 0.1 sec faster stop is definately not enough to make up for the time it takes Hamilton to enter and stop at his pit spot which is 1 ahead of Vettels, so Hamilton was released later than Vettel
The 0.1 sec faster stop is definately not enough to make up for the time it takes Hamilton to enter and stop at his pit spot which is 1 ahead of Vettels, so Hamilton was released later than Vettel
What this statistic shows most is that Hamilton was qualifying out of position the most and that McLaren car is the fastest on longer straights.
I'm not questioning his overtaking skills because they are brilliant and he's not afraid to make a move! But we shouldn't be taking this number at face value for above mentioned reasons.
I think once most of the cars will get their versions of F-Duct number of overtakes made by Lewis will go down considerably (he will still have Mercedes power behind him).
What's interesting to note as well is that most overtakes McLaren drivers are doing are at the end of straights, whenever most RedBull overtakes are in twisty sections of the track or just after corner exits.
Clear indication of great straight line speed and enormous down-force in two very different cars.
I'm not questioning his overtaking skills because they are brilliant and he's not afraid to make a move! But we shouldn't be taking this number at face value for above mentioned reasons.
I think once most of the cars will get their versions of F-Duct number of overtakes made by Lewis will go down considerably (he will still have Mercedes power behind him
).What's interesting to note as well is that most overtakes McLaren drivers are doing are at the end of straights, whenever most RedBull overtakes are in twisty sections of the track or just after corner exits.
Clear indication of great straight line speed and enormous down-force in two very different cars.
But he didn't brake and they touched wheels therefore he nudged him. I am not against vettel he and hamilton are the only drivers that make watching interesting, i just think him 'trying to make hamilton brake' which lets be honest would've only worked with a driver with less nerve than hamilton should've been stamped on.
Instead of relying on stupid numbers, just watch the race again. Hamilton was in fact released just an instance after Vettel. In this sense, from the view of the McLaren pit crew - it was a safe release. The problem was, Hamilton had way more wheelspin and thus ended up next to Vettel.
Even if Hamilton would have been released directly into the path of Vettel, it wouldn't have been Hamiltons fault, but that of his crew. The reason why Vettel could have seen a penalty was because of his swerve towards Hamilton that could have resulted in a very dangerous accident. I agree to a point that this may not have been Vettels intentions.
No penalty for both is a good call as it had little bearing on the race results anyway - as Hamilton gave up his position before the pit-exit and Vettel ended up in front. What is there more to discuss?
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