Formula 1 - 2010 Season

[Lightman]

Most likely heat related.
Renault engines were on the verge as well and Kubica's engine was loosing water pressure during the race. Main reason why he increased the gap to Nico in latter part of the race.
Vettel and Webber were saying they drove latter part of the race saving engine and the proof for that is one faster lap Webber did on closing laps just to show off and take fastest lap of the race :smile:

BTW do we know if Renault engines are already tweaked after FIA agreed modifications?

For Chinese race I expect Mercedes to make one of the biggest steps in performance of all teams for that race. From now on it will be more difficult for mid pack teams to advance into Q3. We will have 2 Ferraris, 2 Mercedes, 2 McLarens, 2 RedBulls and only 2 places left for the rest. This of course in normal weather conditions.

 

[Bludd]

BTW do we know if Renault engines are already tweaked after FIA agreed modifications?

IIRC, Boullier said it happened before Bahrain, so the tweaks should already be in there. I think he said they cannot do anything once the season has started so the work was done between the seasons.

 

[tommysand]

I know that Red Bull has emerged out of the Stewart/Jaguar team but the team members have changed over the years and after Red Bull came in, the team has started to become successful.

 

[Bludd]

I know that Red Bull has emerged out of the Stewart/Jaguar team but the team members have changed over the years and after Red Bull came in, the team has started to become successful.

Indeed, my point was that it was the youngest established team now that Toyota has left and that Ford screwed the pooch with the whole Jaguar Racing project.

 

[Dave Baumann]

Here, anyone want to buy one of US F1's Trailers?

 

[Bludd]

McLaren have announced that they are dropping development on a new suspension system after the FIA have clarified the rules on ride height changes.

So how are Red Bull managing to bottom out and have sparks flying in qualifying and then have proper ride height in the race if they can't change springs and dampers in parc ferme?

Anyone have some insight?

 

[MfA]

Relevant rules :

10.2.2 Any powered device which is capable of altering the configuration or affecting the performance of any part of the suspension system is forbidden.
10.2.3 No adjustment may be made to the suspension system while the car is in motion.

34.5 If a competitor modifies any part on the car or makes changes to the set up of the suspension whilst the car is being held under parc ferme conditions the relevant driver must start the race from the pit lane and follow the procedures laid out in Article 38.2.

So what you need is a non powered device which adjusts the ride height completely without intervention but which only kicks in when the car is not moving. What exactly does powered mean? Are you allowed to use mechanical energy stored in a spring? If so you could mount the gas tank on springs and use the weight from the fuel to adjust gas pressure for the suspension with a simple piston (with a valve which only opens while the car is at a full stop).

 

[Bludd]

I think it's weird. Look at Vettel's amazing pole lap from Australia. Look at all the sparks flying in the last sector.

Thanks for digging up the rules, Mfa. I wonder what they are doing ...

 

[Phil]

Anyone have some insight?

There are a few ideas on how it might be done here: http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/2010/04/01/402/

(Recommended read)

 

[Bludd]

There are a few ideas on how it might be done here: http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/2010/04/01/402/

(Recommended read)

Thanks!

 

[MfA]

I agree with the commenter there ... with the standard shock absorber "Pressurizing the shocks will not work". You need to adjust the spring force, not the stiffness of the dampener ... which is what the gas pressure in the shock effectively does.

That doesn't mean it's impossible to use air pressure, but you need something like an inflatable bag which increases spring force like air suspension in road cars.

Whatever they use it either has to work autonomously and be triggered by the car being at a full stop, or it has to work nearly instantaneously (which rules out air suspension). If it's driver controlled it has to start and finish it's adjustment after the race starts but before the car starts rolling (before the race starts you aren't allowed to make changes, after the car starts rolling the suspension isn't allowed to be adjusted in any way whatsoever).

Personally I'd put a air bag behind the springs, mount the gas tank on springs and put a second air bag beneath the tank. Then put a valve which only opens while the car is at a stop between the bags, maybe some kind of ratchet to keep the tank in place while the car is moving so it doesn't work as an inertial dampener of it's own.

 

[Gubbi]

Buemi has a bad day at the office

Cheers

 

[Gerry]

Buemi has a bad day at the office

Cheers

That was a ridiculous accident. I've never seen anything like that happen before in F1.

 

[tongue_of_colicab]

Bet they cant manage to get the wheels off that fast at a pit stop

 

[Bludd]

Buemi has a bad day at the office

Cheers

Holy shit, that looks like a movie special effect. Toro Rosso said it was an upright failure, a new upright for this weekend. They are changing to an old, proven version.

This is one of the reasons no testing is bad.

 

[Grall]

I watched the wheel ejection system being activated on a webcast of a Viasat broadcast, and listening to the commentary made the two commentators look like complete idiots. The accident itself isn't shown, so all we (and the commentators) see is Buemi sliding along in the gravel, sans spoiler and front wheels. The commentators start talking about some drivers having complained about bad grip, apparantly predominately on the rear end, and take the accident as a sign of this.

Then on instant rerun, we now see a cockpit view from Buemi's car. The commentators continue to spew some random BS and then fall silent - thankfully. Then the wheels pop off in a hail of debris, and one of the commentators go - initially completely oblivious to the fact both front wheels just overtook the rest of the vehicle - "yeah... whoah! Eje! What's happening?!" THE GODDAM WHEELS JUST CAME OFF, IDIOT!

Sports dudes... No brains whatsoever lol... Only statistics and some basic vocabulary, that's all there's room for in their skulls.

Also, I love how the driver tries to parry the skidding motions of the car as it slides through the gravel by turning the steering wheel...! A true professional, to the bitter end.

 

[Bludd]

I watched the wheel ejection system being activated on a webcast of a Viasat broadcast, and listening to the commentary made the two commentators look like complete idiots. The accident itself isn't shown, so all we (and the commentators) see is Buemi sliding along in the gravel, sans spoiler and front wheels. The commentators start talking about some drivers having complained about bad grip, apparantly predominately on the rear end, and take the accident as a sign of this.

Then on instant rerun, we now see a cockpit view from Buemi's car. The commentators continue to spew some random BS and then fall silent - thankfully. Then the wheels pop off in a hail of debris, and one of the commentators go - initially completely oblivious to the fact both front wheels just overtook the rest of the vehicle - "yeah... whoah! Eje! What's happening?!" THE GODDAM WHEELS JUST CAME OFF, IDIOT!

Sports dudes... No brains whatsoever lol... Only statistics and some basic vocabulary, that's all there's room for in their skulls.

Also, I love how the driver tries to parry the skidding motions of the car as it slides through the gravel by turning the steering wheel...! A true professional, to the bitter end.

What country commentary do you get? The Norwegian is rubbish.

 

[Dave Baumann]

I remember there was a roundup of how commentators had handled the final stages of the 2008 Brazil race. It kinda confirmed that the British commentary team were the best as they had figured out what might happen based on Glock sliding all over the palce, before it happened, and then they followed it through until it did happen. I think one of the German commentary teams were the second best to realise while others still didn't figure it out until after the race finished.

 

[Bludd]

I really like Martin Brundle, he's awesome. Jonathan Legard is too much of a radio commentator, he talks too fast and says things we know from looking at the screen. BBC has a good pit crew and I think their F1 broadcasts are the best in the biz. The new host, Long-legs Children's TV guy, he's pretty good too and Jordan vs. Coulthard is pretty amusing, though when Jordan was gone and Gazza took over, that was really special.

 

[Davros]

I'd like to see eddie ervine replace dc just for the lulz