According to Nobert Haug, there has never been any negiations between McLaren & Button for next season
Formula 1 - 2009 Season
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According to Nobert Haug, there has never been any negiations between McLaren & Button for next season
But if he goes to Toyota all his "I just want a winning car nothing else" was just crap and he went there for the cash.
tongue_of_colicab
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Well if you believe the rumors its clear already where his priorities are. Or rather, the fact that he demands a certain salary already says enough. If he really only wanted to win he'd even drive for free. He already has enough money to do what he wants anyway so its no problem to have winning as your #1 priority if you really want to.
Maybe Toyota isnt that bad. The field is now very close and lets just assume that this time Toyota is smart enough to keep on track now that with the new rules everybody is sorta on the same level. Maybe if they finally put all that money to good use they can have a good car. Now I dont think they can deliver a WDC winning car, but I do think their car might be capable of more than they've shown so far. Keep in mind that they never really had a top driver. Look at Alonso does in the Renault. I dont think alot of drivers could perform like he does with such a car. If Kimi really still has the motivation I think that even if Toyota doesnt deliver the fastest car (which they wont) with a motivated Kimi it could still be competative even if it isnt the absolute best car.
For Toyota it wont matter much. Even a not so motivated Kimi is still faster than what they got now so for them it will only be good I think.
Maybe Toyota isnt that bad. The field is now very close and lets just assume that this time Toyota is smart enough to keep on track now that with the new rules everybody is sorta on the same level. Maybe if they finally put all that money to good use they can have a good car. Now I dont think they can deliver a WDC winning car, but I do think their car might be capable of more than they've shown so far. Keep in mind that they never really had a top driver. Look at Alonso does in the Renault. I dont think alot of drivers could perform like he does with such a car. If Kimi really still has the motivation I think that even if Toyota doesnt deliver the fastest car (which they wont) with a motivated Kimi it could still be competative even if it isnt the absolute best car.
For Toyota it wont matter much. Even a not so motivated Kimi is still faster than what they got now so for them it will only be good I think.
Of course he wants to get paid, but if he goes to Toyota he will go there for the money and nothing else.
I don't know, maybe he can get them their first win. Toyota needs to win in F1 or they are, if you would excuse my French, fucked.
I don't know, maybe he can get them their first win. Toyota needs to win in F1 or they are, if you would excuse my French, fucked.
tongue_of_colicab
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I doubt that is true. The whole point of the engine freeze was to have engines that are pretty much the same on a performance level and I believe the FIA keeps track of this. Given how the modern engines have less than 800bhp, a 80bhp difference would mean more than 10% less power. If that is really true, the whole engine freeze rule is failing big time. Besides I dont believe there is such a big difference. Just look at what happens with the KERS cars when they got the 80bhp boost. Even when Ferrari and mclaren still had their shitty aeropacks they would blast past everything. If Toyota really was 80bhp down they wouldnt stand a chance and certainly wont manage podium finishes.
tongue_of_colicab
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Well I dont believe it. As I said, just look at wat 80hp does for KERS cars. Toyota should be destroyed at every start even they really are 80hp down because at the start the only thing that counts in power. I just dont believe it, 80hp is waaay to much to still be able to get on the podium.
Just look at Button in Brazil. The brawn has good aero and good power so why did he have so much trouble getting past him on the straights? Should have been no problem if they are 80hp down. KERS cars with bad aero dont have any problem at all passing on the straights if they can use their KERS button.
Yes there are differences in power, but not 80hp I think. You will notice being 10+% down on power. I mean, if you add 10% of weight to a car you easily notice it, same should go for power.
Just look at Button in Brazil. The brawn has good aero and good power so why did he have so much trouble getting past him on the straights? Should have been no problem if they are 80hp down. KERS cars with bad aero dont have any problem at all passing on the straights if they can use their KERS button.
Yes there are differences in power, but not 80hp I think. You will notice being 10+% down on power. I mean, if you add 10% of weight to a car you easily notice it, same should go for power.
Just so you are aware, the implication is that Barrichello's puncture was Barrichello's fault:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79822
Funny that Trulli and Situl are still arguing!
It was Trulli's fault. End of story.
In other news, Nico Rosberg has confirmed he will not be at Williams next year as we all pretty much knew. He don't want to say where he's going but it is Brawn or McLaren. I'd like to see Nico in competitive machinery. I think he's can be just as fast as Vettel but maybe less error-prone?
In other news, Nico Rosberg has confirmed he will not be at Williams next year as we all pretty much knew. He don't want to say where he's going but it is Brawn or McLaren. I'd like to see Nico in competitive machinery. I think he's can be just as fast as Vettel but maybe less error-prone?
Nah, he's just so damn good driver
Anyway, Kimi said in recent finnish interview that McLaren is the only F1 team he's read to join
If we are objective then either the other drivers are not paid enough or Kimi Raikonnen's salary is too high.
Edit: his salary for 2009 may be an abberation as he had his contract terminated. It would be helpful if there was more information on this.
Perhals Ferrari were forced to pay Kimi's 2010 salary too, in order to terminate his contract.
Edit: his salary for 2009 may be an abberation as he had his contract terminated. It would be helpful if there was more information on this.
Perhals Ferrari were forced to pay Kimi's 2010 salary too, in order to terminate his contract.
That $45 million doesn't include the 2010 salary + compensation, and since Kimi's supposed salary is 30 million euros, it's pretty close to that $45 million ($44374497.09)
Kimi is just one of the best drivers, and when he moved to Ferrari, he had the upper hand; Ferrari was ready to do anything to get him at that point.
Ferrari (okay, Santander) is paying him next years salary anyway + apparently some compensations too, so I'm quite sure he'll go lower
DuckThor Evil
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Traditionally Ferrari's NR. 1 driver has had the best salary among drivers, at least after Schumacher went there
, but yeah the gab between the salaries of Kimi and Massa is absurd, when you look at the results they have put in. I hope Kimi doesn't demand the world from Maclaren so we get to see him race next year also.Similar threads
