Formula 1 - 2009 Season
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It's just his last hurrah. Such a douchebag he is. FOTA should have just supplied with a steady stream of hookers and custom tailored Gestapo outfits. Problem solved and less money spent.
At it already. Told you he was lying! He is a lawyer after all.
EDIT: OK no one likes an "I told you so" didn't read the previous posts in my excitement.
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He said he was not going to stand last year, then threatened to do so as he knew FOTA wouldn't like that, then made the "concession" of continuing with his original plan. Every time FOTA renege on another deal with the FIA (they've done so twice this month already), he'll threaten to stand again. Nobody can prevent him from standing, but he can choose not to.
FOTA need to agree (which they've managed to do, by my count, 3 times already), then stick to the agreement (which they haven't managed to do for more than 24 hours yet). I for one am losing patience with particular teams who seem to be hell bent on destroying these negotiations in any way they can.
I was thinking about this.
You take any dispute related to F1, for example the Lewis Hamilton arguments. Supporters of his are unflinching in their belief that there is a conspiracy against him, that the FIA have an agenda, and draw on examples like Spa 08 to prove their point. Hamilton detractors are equally resolute in their belief that there is a conspiracy in favour of him in the FIA, and use examples like Fuji 07. There are further examples of these arguments in this very thread.
But if you take a step back, you'll notice that what each side has in common is a belief that there is some kind of orchestrated attempt by the FIA to influence things, away from each particular viewpoint (i.e. supporters believe in an agenda against their object of support, detractors believe that the agenda is pro the object of their dislike).
Now if you name any team or driver, fans will be able to point out a perceived injustice against them, almost always attributed to an FIA conspiracy of some kind. It's something that all fans share, and the result is that the FIA is in shared dislike by all F1 fans. Ironically, nobody realises that if everybody believes the FIA has a conspiracy against them in particular, then that by definition proves that there is no conspiracy towards any one team or driver, because the perceived injustices are shared by everybody
It's very easy to say, "if they made the right decisions all the time, this wouldn't happen". But what are the right decisions? Take the lying scandal. Some people in this thread were arguing that it only deserved a light sentence because they admitted it, no harm was done, and everybody lies sometimes. Others were arguing that it deserved a heavy sentence because you have to make an example that attempting to deliberately mislead the governing body would not be tolerated. So what is the right decision? In the end, McLaren got a light sentence - and you can bet that McLaren supporters saw it simply as the expected, "correct" decision, while McLaren detractors added it to the list of events supporting their "FIA pro-McLaren" conspiracy theory. So in each and every decision, the result is an increase in negative feeling for the FIA, because the positive feeling is ignored as them simply making the "right" decision.
It's exactly the same with referees in football. They make judgement calls, independent of any bias, yet it's pretty hard as a fan not to see decisions against your team as a conspiracy, yet decisions for your team to be nothing but "correct" ones. Everybody dislikes referees, it's simply part of the territory. Everybody dislikes the FIA for the same reason. Mosley as the president is the focal point for that dislike. But if anybody honestly thinks replacing him with someone else would solve anything, they are sadly mistaken. It's the nature of the role, not the person holding it.
It is amazing to think that, looking objectively at the FIA decisions, they are all motivated by very simple things like safety, fair competition and ensuring the sport continues in the best possible way into the future. Given that, it's ridiculous that they take so much flak from pretty much every fan of F1
I'm not really sure I had a particular reason for writing this post, I was just thinking about it and thought I'd throw it out there... no doubt for it to be slaughtered
You take any dispute related to F1, for example the Lewis Hamilton arguments. Supporters of his are unflinching in their belief that there is a conspiracy against him, that the FIA have an agenda, and draw on examples like Spa 08 to prove their point. Hamilton detractors are equally resolute in their belief that there is a conspiracy in favour of him in the FIA, and use examples like Fuji 07. There are further examples of these arguments in this very thread.
But if you take a step back, you'll notice that what each side has in common is a belief that there is some kind of orchestrated attempt by the FIA to influence things, away from each particular viewpoint (i.e. supporters believe in an agenda against their object of support, detractors believe that the agenda is pro the object of their dislike).
Now if you name any team or driver, fans will be able to point out a perceived injustice against them, almost always attributed to an FIA conspiracy of some kind. It's something that all fans share, and the result is that the FIA is in shared dislike by all F1 fans. Ironically, nobody realises that if everybody believes the FIA has a conspiracy against them in particular, then that by definition proves that there is no conspiracy towards any one team or driver, because the perceived injustices are shared by everybody
It's very easy to say, "if they made the right decisions all the time, this wouldn't happen". But what are the right decisions? Take the lying scandal. Some people in this thread were arguing that it only deserved a light sentence because they admitted it, no harm was done, and everybody lies sometimes. Others were arguing that it deserved a heavy sentence because you have to make an example that attempting to deliberately mislead the governing body would not be tolerated. So what is the right decision? In the end, McLaren got a light sentence - and you can bet that McLaren supporters saw it simply as the expected, "correct" decision, while McLaren detractors added it to the list of events supporting their "FIA pro-McLaren" conspiracy theory. So in each and every decision, the result is an increase in negative feeling for the FIA, because the positive feeling is ignored as them simply making the "right" decision.
It's exactly the same with referees in football. They make judgement calls, independent of any bias, yet it's pretty hard as a fan not to see decisions against your team as a conspiracy, yet decisions for your team to be nothing but "correct" ones. Everybody dislikes referees, it's simply part of the territory. Everybody dislikes the FIA for the same reason. Mosley as the president is the focal point for that dislike. But if anybody honestly thinks replacing him with someone else would solve anything, they are sadly mistaken. It's the nature of the role, not the person holding it.
It is amazing to think that, looking objectively at the FIA decisions, they are all motivated by very simple things like safety, fair competition and ensuring the sport continues in the best possible way into the future. Given that, it's ridiculous that they take so much flak from pretty much every fan of F1
I'm not really sure I had a particular reason for writing this post, I was just thinking about it and thought I'd throw it out there... no doubt for it to be slaughtered
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76602
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76546
Mosley said:
Mosley said:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76546
Mosley said:
Back to square one?
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76777
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76777
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76778
You cannot vote on the rules of the game we're going to play in the sandbox because you are not allowed in the sandbox. You are not allowed in the sandbox because you haven't voted on the rules of the game we're going to play in the sandbox.
Silent_Buddha
Legend
Yeah that's just...wow, speechless.
You must unanimously agree to these rules which will be set in stone before you can have any input into these rules.
We'll take your considerations under advisement in the meantime but you must sign and agree to the rules as they are first. Uh....
I'm starting to wonder why I even bothered to come back to F1 after leaving it after all the watering down that has happened since Senna passed away.
Regards,
SB
You must unanimously agree to these rules which will be set in stone before you can have any input into these rules.
We'll take your considerations under advisement in the meantime but you must sign and agree to the rules as they are first. Uh....
I'm starting to wonder why I even bothered to come back to F1 after leaving it after all the watering down that has happened since Senna passed away.
Regards,
SB
