Formula 1 - 2009 Season
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It'd be interesting to see how Hamilton handles driving a slow car. It'd also be interesting to see how fast Brawn really are, they won't be running KERS at least not at first and maybe not at all, so they gain in optimal weight distribution but lose out in power even though the Mercedes-Benz engine is good.
I still think the Renault looks good in Alonso's hands. Will they start with KERS? I think so, but I am just pulling that out of my ass.
I still think the Renault looks good in Alonso's hands. Will they start with KERS? I think so, but I am just pulling that out of my ass.
Medals in F1. So now the title can be clinched by race 9.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/73744
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/73744
I don't like that one either, and I don't think I've heard of a strong proponent for it from a fan perspective either. When Bernie suggested the medals system supposedly fans were polled and the teams suggested the alternative scoring system in reply to that, and now the FIA comes up with some mishmash of them both but on a scheme that wasn't popular with the fans.
tongue_of_colicab
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Yes but the same could be applied the other way around with the points system. Both are very unlikely to happen. Personally, I dont think I mind too much. For me, F1 and other sports are about winning. Being #1 is what counts, #2, #3 etc just means you are not as good as the person above you. I preffer seing sombody win based on how much races he has won than of how much he didnt took more risk than he needed and did 2 to 4th place all the time. Than you are not being a racers but a calculator. Atleast now if somebody wants to win the WDC he'd better try his best to actually win a race and not just go for whatever happens to be convienent at the time.
http://planetf1.com/story/0,18954,3213_5063339,00.html
Anyway, there is more. There now is a 30million budget cap. Teams are free to sign up if they want or not. If you sign up it means you will be allowed alot more technicall freedom like no rev limit etc. But everything has to be within the 30million, including driver salarys so that basically rules out any decent team joining.
Secondly this will create 2 different type of cars. I dont know if that is really going to be a good idea. At some point you are basically handicapping the teams that can afford good personall. Secondly if wonder how many holes there will be in the regulations. For example, could a team switch every other year? So basically the first year the dont join the cap and spend as much as they can on building a car within the regulations of the cap and run that next year. It might be a bit hard the first time but given that if you dont join the cap you cant improve that much on the car anyway and within a 30 million cap I doubt you can actually even do a half decent windtunnel program, let alone everything.
And coulnt you cheat alot with the money too? For example what if Ferrari say they will start using customer engines and let just say they give their engine department to FIAT (basically meaning it will still be theirs). Than FIAT can spend whatever they want building and they could just sell them for 1 euro to Ferrari. They could do the same with paying. Just all pay them 1 euro and than include their full salary as soon as they win a race, or score a point or whatever as a bonus.
Imagine your favourite Hamilton has won 5 races and Massa won 4, Massa is leading the last race and has more points so presuamble would win if both had 5 wins, now Hamilton or his team mate takes him out while being lapped. Surely they cannot strip him of previous wins, award Massa the win and points won't matter, so does Hamilton win the title?
This system is stupid and very open to abuse.
This system is stupid and very open to abuse.
No. That's the Schumacher rule when he took out Villenue. He record the stripped for that year.
tongue_of_colicab
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Schumacher won WDC's doing the exact same thing, with points. No they cannot strip someone of wins but they surely can disqualify someone from the whole championship if you just downright drive somebody of the track to claim the WDC. Even more if you are being lapped as that means you just have to keep way clear of the one lapping you so it will be impossible to even try and make it look like a accident.
This system isnt more open to asbuse than the points system. Besides that atleast now it will be a case of how can we win? instead of if we cant win, better luck next week and just minimize the loss. I mean, whats the point in taking alot of risk for 2 points? None. Now #1 is the only thing left that counts for the teams/drivers that are able to compete for the WDC meaning they now have to try what racing is all about, winning, and not just collecting points.
Lets be honest. How can you call a system where the person who has won the most can win bad while we now have a system where theoretically you dont even have to win to win the championship. That doesnt mean you are the best, just the most consistent.
This system isnt more open to asbuse than the points system. Besides that atleast now it will be a case of how can we win? instead of if we cant win, better luck next week and just minimize the loss. I mean, whats the point in taking alot of risk for 2 points? None. Now #1 is the only thing left that counts for the teams/drivers that are able to compete for the WDC meaning they now have to try what racing is all about, winning, and not just collecting points.
Lets be honest. How can you call a system where the person who has won the most can win bad while we now have a system where theoretically you dont even have to win to win the championship. That doesnt mean you are the best, just the most consistent.
I don't know what I think, on one hand I like it because of what V3 said, but on the other I can't help thinking that if someone comes along and is super-consistent and fast in the first 9 races and wins them all, and then fails to score in the last 8 races, that person is WDC. It's a worst-case scenario, but still.
What about the tiered system FIA has come up with? Same as now vs. budget cap with almost no limits on tech. I am ambivalent, but I like the no limits part.
Ed Gorman of The Times notes that Mosley has a history of saber rattling to get people in line and then do some compromising.
What about the tiered system FIA has come up with? Same as now vs. budget cap with almost no limits on tech. I am ambivalent, but I like the no limits part.
Ed Gorman of The Times notes that Mosley has a history of saber rattling to get people in line and then do some compromising.
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Winning 9 clinches the title mathematically, with just 2 wins, there would be suspense at the end of the season.
Edit: After thinking about it some more, I can see the virtue in the one with the most wins getting the title. I think this idea is better than Bernie's medal idea which was dumb (one third place trumps 4 fourth places or something). I am willing to give it a chance.
Edit: After thinking about it some more, I can see the virtue in the one with the most wins getting the title. I think this idea is better than Bernie's medal idea which was dumb (one third place trumps 4 fourth places or something). I am willing to give it a chance.
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Yes, the weakness of this systems is if someone dominates the winners podium. The season could be over half way. There are like only 2 drivers with 9 wins in a season, Mansell and Schumacher. And only Schumacher have repeated the feat more than once (multiple times in fact) and why the rule was changed in the first place. So I don't think we should worry too much, unless we have another Schumacher situation. The season would be boring regardless the points system used.
But that would be a great season with lots of different winners.
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