Formula 1 - 2009 Season

Welcome to the world. Since when have things ever been equal for all men? Really, if someone like Kimi gets 27million a year (you could even argue if with a salary like this a fee of a couple of 100k, or maybe even a couple of million really has a impact on his financials other than having to buy a couple of square meter less of gold plated swimmingpool) and even admits he didnt even really bother this year than sorry I dont have any feelings at all for him having to fork out a couple of 100k. Hell, even if he did try his hardest I still wouldnt care because the guy makes so much money it really doesnt matter.

Also, the point is, you dont have to pay if you dont score. Fact is that if you are in the position to score you are a better driver and have a better car. Both mean that as far as paycheck goes you'll be higher up so it even outs.

But even if you dont take into account all of that, im sure even at the back of the grid you make atleast 1 million. Now if you managed to be WDC you'll still only end up paying 20% of your pay for fees. Given how all these guys live in tax havens paying 20% of their salary in fees (which only benefits them, so its not like they dont get anything back for it!) is far less than you pay in income tax!

No, sorry, I dont feel at all for multi millionairs having to fork out some cash that gets invested back into their own safety...
 
tongue_of_colicab said:
Welcome to the world. Since when have things ever been equal for all men? Really, if someone like Kimi gets 27million a year (you could even argue if with a salary like this a fee of a couple of 100k, or maybe even a couple of million really has a impact on his financials other than having to buy a couple of square meter less of gold plated swimmingpool) and even admits he didnt even really bother this year than sorry I dont have any feelings at all for him having to fork out a couple of 100k. Hell, even if he did try his hardest I still wouldnt care because the guy makes so much money it really doesnt matter.
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Sometimes things are equal sometimes they are not, but individuals who wants things to be unequal pisses me off for many reasons. Whether or not it makes any difference in his or anybody else's finances is besides the point. A license price should be fixed. period, just like most things are fixed. Kimi doesn't have to pay 20X for his Sony/LG/Samsung TV or 20x to go see a football game and rightly so.

tongue_of_colicab said:
But even if you dont take into account all of that, im sure even at the back of the grid you make atleast 1 million. Now if you managed to be WDC you'll still only end up paying 20% of your pay for fees. Given how all these guys live in tax havens paying 20% of their salary in fees (which only benefits them, so its not like they dont get anything back for it!) is far less than you pay in income tax!

No, sorry, I dont feel at all for multi millionairs having to fork out some cash that gets invested back into their own safety...
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Well many of them pay some small % of income tax, but income tax is only a part of money that comes back to the community. Kimi doesn't get those gold plated swimming pools or yachts etc. for free you know. The amount of money these guys bring back to the economy generating business and income to others is very substantial compared to your average bloke who pays 20-30% income tax, yet these blokes have absolutely no problem calling richer people out for not playing their part...Oh the irony :rolleyes:
 
tongue_of_colicab said:
If they dont want to pay I think they should give him a aluminium build car again. Lets see how long it takes before they dont mind at all paying a little extra for a nice carbonfibre cockpit.
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But it's not going towards that, it's going towards paying for track marshalls and ambulances and helicopters etc at testing days etc. The medics and ambulances will be the same for all of them so why should some pay more?

You are making a mistake here concentrating on the money side of it when actually it's a question of fairness and equality.
 
But you are forgetting that the old system was just the same: more points = higher license price. The drivers are complaining because they think the increases in license price is too high, not that it's not equal among drivers.
 
Bludd said:
But you are forgetting that the old system was just the same: more points = higher license price. The drivers are complaining because they think the increases in license price is too high, not that it's not equal among drivers.
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I think they think the increases are too much ( rather than the total amount) whereas I think it's totally unfair system anyway considering what it goes towards would be more accurate I think.
 
Yes, I know because I mentioned that earlier in the thread. I also said they (FIA) should have increased the license fee incrementally, like to 5000 + 1000 per point last year and the full 10000 + 2000 per point this year, or something like that.
 
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/01/28/f1_readies_kers_safety_scheme/

No matter how comprehensive the document, the lingering fear of a massive electric shock is hardly likely to encourage marshals to race to the aid of drivers who have just had a major shunt. After all, just how sure would you be that a 150mph impact hasn't also put the kibosh on the KERS warning lamp?

Of course, none of this worries the lads at Williams F1 as they alone seem to have opted for a flywheel-based system. All they now have to worry about is a kinetic storage device rotating at an unimaginably high rotational velocity ripping loose and flying off into the wide blue yonder like a frisbee from hell.
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:LOL:

Well, its shouldnt really matter for the marshalls. They are not allowed to do much anyway. If the car get burried under tyres or something they need to get the tyres away but I dont believe they are really allowed to do anything untill the driver comes out. If the driver doesnt come out they should also stay away as they are not doctors and probably would only do more harm than good. So it are the docters that should be worried :D
 
tongue_of_colicab said:
:LOL:

Well, its shouldnt really matter for the marshalls. They are not allowed to do much anyway. If the car get burried under tyres or something they need to get the tyres away but I dont believe they are really allowed to do anything untill the driver comes out. If the driver doesnt come out they should also stay away as they are not doctors and probably would only do more harm than good. So it are the docters that should be worried :D
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Incident marshals are the first people on the scene at an accident, and they are usually the ones to call for more medical assistance if they deem the driver requires it, and are responsible for making the vicinity safe for any other personnel (such as doctors) who may approach the car. They also need to clear away any abandoned cars and wreckage, and they need to be prepared to tackle any fires which may occur.
 
I wonder if the flywheel in the Williams will make the car understeer with a gyroscopic effect.
 
dizietsma said:
:) Perhaps it will be impossible to tip over as well, could be quite a good safety feature.
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Fisichella could have done with it in Monte Carlo 2004. :)

Anyway, my poor, poor team! :D

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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/73069

The FIA has made public the results of an analysis conducted to evaluate the possibility of the introduction of a medals system in Formula One.

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The FIA analysis showed that the medal system would have changed the outcome of the championships 37 times out of 59, and that the world champion would have been a different driver in 13 occasions.

It would also give a title to three drivers who were never world champions - Stirling Moss, Didier Pironi and Felipe Massa.

Under the medals system, four-time champion Alain Prost would have won five crowns, one more than Ayrton Senna and Jim Clark. Nigel Mansell would have added two titles to his achievements.

The FIA also noted that the former Brabham team would not have won any drivers' championships under Ecclestone's ownenership.
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Many more stats at the link.
 
So, anyone hopeful for that USF1 team? It would be cool to see NASCAR engineers tackle a non-oval. "What, they turn BOTH ways?!" :D

In other news, Sakhir is sandy (no shit), Spain turned out OK, Alonso fastest in a 100% 2009 car (Toro Rosso ran 2008 spec, Hamilton's McLaren had a 2008 rear-wing) at the end of the Jerez test.

Honda may return as Petrobras Racing or something with Button and Senna running Benzos.
 
Im not to hopeful for the USF1 team. Even if they manage to get a more than back marker team budget they dont have anything. I know the guy wants to use the NASCAR facilities but I doubt they are up to par with the 2 windtunnels and CFD systems all the F1 teams have just for themselves. Also he doesnt have a chassis or anything (well, they could hire gascoin for this) and if he wants to be on the grid in 2010 he's just got a little over a year to build a complete car out of nothing. Doesnt seem very likely to me.

I also dont understand why they want to be US based. We dont even have 1 race in America anymore so you'll end up having to fly parts around the globe all the time. Doesnt seem very fast or cheap to me. Maybe its because he said 90% of the F1 tech comes from the US anyway. Well... Indycar being the best they have, other than lola and cossie having US buildings its all UK designed.
 
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