Formula 1 - 2008 Season

[thehulk]

It's disappointing to me that it seems that Maclaren won't protest so the Stewards won't look at the telemetry. Maclaren see no benefit to it as they can't get any points out of it, but without knowing what happened, Alonso neither gets punished nor exonerated. If Maclaren really feel they were wronged, they should do something about it.

Or maybe it's because golden boy fu*ked it up on his own ?
That thought ever cross your mind ? At all ?

 

[Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.]

Or maybe it's because golden boy fu*ked it up on his own ?
That thought ever cross your mind ? At all ?

I'm just going by what the ex-F1 drivers are saying and what I saw on the TV. Dunno what you're looking/listening to.

 

[tongue_of_colicab]

As in the ex-F1 drivers on the UK commentary team, the Maclaren team, etc. You only have to look at it to see what it looks like. But if you're too blinded by your Hamilton Hate, you won't see much of anything.

It's disappointing to me that it seems that Maclaren won't protest so the Stewards won't look at the telemetry. Maclaren see no benefit to it as they can't get any points out of it, but without knowing what happened, Alonso neither gets punished nor exonerated. If Maclaren really feel they were wronged, they should do something about it.

Otherwise it was a pretty good race. Massa showed he still has what it takes, BMW shows they are now reaching into the top teams, Maclaren shows that their cars are having traction/tyre issues without traction control. Honda is making strides too.

... Should I even bother? he just screwed up on his own. But oh noes, that cant be possible, surely golden boy would never do something as stupid as rear end sombody. I bet you Alonso knew hamilton was behind him and gave him a brake test un purpose and risk damaging his car.

Hamilton just made a mistake. If you look at the tv footage there is no sign at all that Alonso braked harder than normal. Besides, its mclaren, not maclaren. Atleast make sure you spell the name of the team right if you want to be taken seriously.

 

[Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.]

Bouncing Zabaglione Bros., more like you're blinded with the dreaded fanboyism, IMO
Heck, the oh-so-great driver doesn't even seem to know the basic things like "when you crash, you let go of the wheel so it won't break your hands", he's a good and fast driver, but has much to learn, especially on the nerve side

Seems like your blinded with the dreaded Hamilton Hate IMO. He did really well in his rookie year, and now everyone wants to revel if he makes a mistake or has any problems.

Yeah, and twice world champion Alonso doesn't seem to know basic things like "when you accelerate out of a corner, keep your foot on the gas".

 

[Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.]

... Should I even bother? he just screwed up on his own. But oh noes, that cant be possible, surely golden boy would never do something as stupid as rear end sombody. I bet you Alonso knew hamilton was behind him and gave him a brake test un purpose and risk damaging his car.

Hamilton just made a mistake. If you look at the tv footage there is no sign at all that Alonso braked harder than normal. Besides, its mclaren, not maclaren. Atleast make sure you spell the name of the team right if you want to be taken seriously.

You don't brake coming out of corners. You just need to lift off to have someone run into the back of you. You'd be taken more seriously if you stop talking about braking out of corners or trying to make a big deal about my typos like it means something.

There's no point talking to you. It doesn't matter what happens, you'll always be against Hamilton. I don't if it's his colour, or because he's new, or because he's doing well, or because he showed up Alonso as a petulant child, but you'd probably throw a party if Hamilton was in a big crash.

You're like those people that cheered when Schumacher broke his leg a few year years back - always determined to tear someone down if they are doing well, always ready to point the finger and lay the blame at those you've taken a dislike to, rather than looking at facts, listening to expert opinion, or trying to be objective about what's in front of your eyes.

 

[Kaotik]

Seems like your blinded with the dreaded Hamilton Hate IMO. He did really well in his rookie year, and now everyone wants to revel if he makes a mistake or has any problems.

Right, so let's get this straight once and for all:
1) ANYONE criticizing or saying Hamilton has made something wrong, is blinded by Hamilton Hate
2) ANYONE seeing that he is unable to do any sort of mistakes, and is always right, is not blinded by fanboyism and is just stating the facts?
?

But no, seriously that's not right, even you seem to admit that it's theoreticly at least possible that he would do a mistake, however when people are saying it was his mistake, you blame that they're just blinded by Hamilton Hate.

Yeah, and twice world champion Alonso doesn't seem to know basic things like "when you accelerate out of a corner, keep your foot on the gas".

No you don't, not after they removed TC
And so far, again, there's no proof whatsoever that he did such thing, he might just have gotten worse exit from the corner than Hamilton for example.

Out of curiosity - how many of these ex-drivers you're believing in in this case are british?

EDIT:
And btw, the reason most of those who criticize, even dislike or hate Hamilton, has nothing to do with the reasons you listed up there - It's because the way he has been raised above all others by (british (mostly)) media, he's like a damn next coming of god to some it seems, he has been compared to likes of senna, schumacher and others etc etc - and why? Because he's did a good job on his first F1 season in a winner car, something most new drivers don't get to on their first year.

 

[thehulk]

I don't if it's his colour, or because he's new, or because he's doing well, or because he showed up Alonso as a petulant child, but you'd probably throw a party if Hamilton was in a big crash.

You pulled out the race card?
Unfu*kinbelievable to even suggest such a thing, please get over yourself.

 

[Dave Baumann]

(the normal penalty in qualifying for everything is either -10 spots or even starting from the pits after everyone)

Where on earth did you get that from? Normal penalty is 5 spots for impeding. 10 spots is for an engine change (or gearbox change now, probably).

 

[Kaotik]

Where on earth did you get that from? Normal penalty is 5 spots for impeding. 10 spots is for an engine change (or gearbox change now, probably).

I checked the F1 site but didn't find much from the penalties in qualifying, but i think i found where i mixed the 10 place drop as penalty to qualifying - in addition to stop'n'go and drive through penalties, you can get a penalty during something you do in the race that will drop you 10 places in the next race's starting grid (no, it's not the same as the 10 spots from changing engine or gearbox)

 

[chavvdarrr]

I never realized that if when driving someone hits me from behind it would be my fault - for not driving fast enough

Then I had the incident with Fernando. I was behind him, and I moved to the right, and he moved to the right and that was it - a racing incident I guess.

 

[Bludd]

I was just about to post that quote, chavvdarrr.

Source is: http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2008/4/7610.html

 

[Kaotik]

Speaking of ex-F1 drivers, JJ Lehto said after todays race that.. hum.. I wonder how you say it in english - his head is full of piss, anyway, this was after how Hamilton acted after overtaking people, showing middlefinger(?) or other handmarks after not getting past them straight away.

Here's more or less direct translation of what he said:
- Quite strange. Now it has raised a bit to the head. Completely his own fault, first driving to Alonsos rear and break your wings, and then go doing this [meaning the handmarks]. You're not making friends nor praises with that
http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/f1/uutiset.shtml/arkistot/f1/2008/04/631840

 

[tongue_of_colicab]

There's no point talking to you. It doesn't matter what happens, you'll always be against Hamilton. I don't if it's his colour, or because he's new, or because he's doing well, or because he showed up Alonso as a petulant child, but you'd probably throw a party if Hamilton was in a big crash.

Dude, how old are you? Yes I think hamilton is a cocky son of a bitch and the media made some kind of god of him while he hasnt proved anything yet (no winning some races and snapping under the pressure at the end doesnt allow you to be named in the same breath as Senna and Schumacher, you can rank yourself among them once you won some WDC and made teams better).

You're like those people that cheered when Schumacher broke his leg a few year years back - always determined to tear someone down if they are doing well, always ready to point the finger and lay the blame at those you've taken a dislike to, rather than looking at facts, listening to expert opinion, or trying to be objective about what's in front of your eyes.

Actually im a Ferrari fan so no I didnt cheer when schumi broke his legs. I wouldnt cheer no matter who got injured because its never a good thing if somebody gets hurt.

And you talk about being objective, well, you obviously dont have a need for that The way you talk you arnt anything better what you are accusing me of and the best thing is you arnt even right.

 

[Bludd]

Speaking of ex-F1 drivers, JJ Lehto said after todays race that.. hum.. I wonder how you say it in english - his head is full of piss, anyway, this was after how Hamilton acted after overtaking people, showing middlefinger(?) or other handmarks after not getting past them straight away.

Here's more or less direct translation of what he said:
- Quite strange. Now it has raised a bit to the head. Completely his own fault, first driving to Alonsos rear and break your wings, and then go doing this [meaning the handmarks]. You're not making friends nor praises with that
http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/f1/uutiset.shtml/arkistot/f1/2008/04/631840

Yeah, what was that about? He was fighting for position with Sato and when he overtook him, he waved his hand as if to tell Sato that he should have let him by earlier. Davidson let him past without fighting, but Sato didn't, even though Hamilton easily overtook him on the straights. As I said, they were fighting for position so I have no idea what Hamilton was angry for.

 

[Kaotik]

Yeah, what was that about? He was fighting for position with Sato and when he overtook him, he waved his hand as if to tell Sato that he should have let him by earlier. Davidson let him past without fighting, but Sato didn't, even though Hamilton easily overtook him on the straights. As I said, they were fighting for position so I have no idea what Hamilton was angry for.

I guess someone forgot to pass the memo saying "You are not allowed to race against Hamilton, let him pass for the championship" to Fisichella and Sato
But no worries, it will probably be in the official rulebook by the next race so this won't happen again

 

[Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.]

Well it looks like Alonso did not lift, just the Renault is really slow out of corners. The lack of traction control is hurting this years cars for all the teams in some form or another:

Autosport.com has seen the telemetry data of Alonso's exit from the first corner, and it shows that the Spaniard was flat on the throttle from the exit, did not touch the brake and gained speed in a totally predictable manner.

Symonds, who is Renault's executive director of engineering, said that Alonso had done nothing to contribute to the accident.

"Fernando was coming out of the turn and accelerating down the straight," explained Symonds. "He reached fifth gear, at 227km/h, on full throttle, no touching of the brakes or anything like that. And you can see on the accelerometer the impact. He got hit from behind.

"I think all I can say from our side is that there is no blame attributable to Fernando, which is what some of the speculation might be. But it does say we are not getting onto the straights very well, we are suffering a bit with traction, engine speed and engine torque."

 

[Kaotik]

Well it looks like Alonso did not lift, just the Renault is really slow out of corners. The lack of traction control is hurting this years cars for all the teams in some form or another:

So, again, are we just blinded by "Hamilton Hate" when we said it was his fault?

 

[DuckThor Evil]

Hehe some heated up discussion going on here...
Anyways Massa showed good form throughout the weekend and Kimi wasn't quite able to match his speed, but still 8 points and lead in the championship is a pretty good place to be. Kimi is more consistent than Massa and I believe it will once again show in the standings after the season, but still have to give it to Massa, great weekend for him.

BMW is showing pretty good pace and in race lenght they seem to able to atleast match Mclaren. Barcelona is going to be very interesting.

 

[Kaotik]

Hehe some heated up discussion going on here...
Anyways Massa showed good form throughout the weekend and Kimi wasn't quite able to match his speed, but still 8 points and lead in the championship is a pretty good place to be. Kimi is more consistent than Massa and I believe it will once again show in the standings after the season, but still have to give it to Massa, great weekend for him.

BMW is showing pretty good pace and in race lenght they seem to able to atleast match Mclaren. Barcelona is going to be very interesting.

True, it was good weekend for Massa, Kimi said after the qualifying that he wasn't satisfied with his own driving, but also that his car was set for the expected weather conditions of the race (wind turning heavily which could cause problems with other settings)

There was something strange in Kimis race, too, though, almost like Ferrari just wanted to make sure that Massa would win after the 2 disasters he has had, I mean, if you look at their pitstops, Kimis first was a lot longer, and he got a LOT more fuel than Massa did (the fuel hose was in all the time), yet he still came to the 2nd stop earlier too

This was, btw, first time ever Massa won without starting from the pole position

For BMW, I'm starting to believe that it will be the next team to stay on top for several years among McLaren and Ferrari, instead of Renault or Toyota or Williams, also I expect Renault to drop behind Toyota and Williams clearly as time moves on.

 

[Bludd]

Well it looks like Alonso did not lift, just the Renault is really slow out of corners. The lack of traction control is hurting this years cars for all the teams in some form or another:

Good to have that cleared up. It's one thing for Alonso to be annoyed that he was treated as a rookie (the flipside of that is that Hamilton was treated as a double world champion), but it's quite another to pull crazy brake-testing maneuvers when you are in a slower car just out of spite.

Go Alonso!