E3: XNA Car Crash Demo 2

[Qroach]

God, the cheerleading of sony from a few of you is so typical and "expected"... explains why you can't see how all of this is in good fun instead of taking sides.

 

[London Geezer]

Sweetheart.... Maybe YOU are the one taking things a bit too seriously here...?

All we're saying is that Sony's marketing efforts are (and have been for 10 years now) just BETTER than the other companies' ones.

If MS or Ninty came up with such a simple but funny ad (the "just pretend" one) i'd laugh my ass off too. Nothing to do with "brand loyality"... :?

 

[Phil]

Quincy:

Is that more mature (or does it have more class) than putting PSwho on a license plate in a tech demo?

I didn't say it was - I was merely commenting on the novelty compared to Sony's marketing approach which are worlds apart.

Peter main encouraged sony to make their own video in response as the entire thing was meant in good fun.

Encouraging your opponent to level themselves down to that level doesn't make it acceptable by any means. Perhaps Peter realised that it was off and in embarrasment for they low shot encouraged Sony to level things out.

 

[Qroach]

This is basically what the hardcore sony fans in this thread are saying.

1. Anything sony does is good and anythign MS does is bad. Anything sony does is funny, and anything MS doesn't is in bad taste ad will come back to haunt them. There's no middle ground, Sony's marketing has class and MS's doesn't.

This is what the xbox fans, developers, and people that are neutral are saying.

1. Jokes like this are all in good fun and come from both sides, both sony and MS. None of it is considered to be in bad taste by anyone that isn't a brand loyalist. This has nothing to do with marketing as it's not meant to target the general public, only those in the game industry. It's essentially inside jokes for media and game developers.

Yeah I think that about sums up this thread.

 

[London Geezer]

You got it completely wrong, but what the hell it's useless talking with you cause everything you touch turns into an argument.
Bye.

 

[Qroach]

You got it completely wrong

No I think I can read fine, thanks.

but what the hell it's useless talking with you cause everything you touch turns into an argument.
Bye.

Psh yeah... I'm the one that started this argument. I guess it serves me right for telling someone to not take something so seriously now that I think of it, just saying that was so extremly argumentitive.

 

[Phil]

Quincy:

Why do you act as if everything is based upon different idiologies? Why is anyone accused of being a hardcore x fan when disagreeing with something and stating an opinion? Contrary to what you are saying, those people you are accusing of being "hardcore Sony fans" could say the same to you in being a "hardcore Microsoft fan". It's all perception afterall. You obviously think it's great what Microsoft is doing - I think the number plate thing was alright, but actually hiring look-alikes and making a fool out of them is quite low and pathetic. Especially the fact that they are singling out actual Sony officials. That has nothing to do if pro Sony, Microsoft or any other company.

 

[London Geezer]

Quincy:

Why do you act as if everything is based upon different idiologies? Why is anyone accused of being a hardcore x fan when disagreeing with something and stating an opinion? Contrary to what you are saying, those people you are accusing of being "hardcore Sony fans" could say the same to you in being a "hardcore Microsoft fan". It's all perception afterall. You obviously think it's great what Microsoft is doing - I think the number plate thing was alright, but actually hiring look-alikes and making a fool out of them is quite low and pathetic. Especially the fact that they are singling out actual Sony officials. That has nothing to do if pro Sony, Microsoft or any other company.

Phil, its the second time: it's Qroach not Quincy!

 

[London Geezer]

I just think Sony's efforts at being funny are much much more effective than most other people's. If that makes me a Sony fanboi, cool.

After all i do have quite a few of their products (latest addition, a nice DSC T1, sexy sexy camera) but what can i say, i like sexy designs... But i also have been a big Nintendo fan long before Sony even got into the buisiness, and sadly i have owned many of MS products. But i guess saying i find Sony to be better at marketing than most other people (which i think is as objective a statemente as they come, seen history) and thinking "PSwho? PS-the-ones-that-kicked-your-ass-big-time" is enough to qualify me as a fanboi. Oh well, i've been called worse names in my life.

 

[LogisticX]

I think what Qroach is saying in this thread is that you guys seem to be "hardcore" PS2 fans because it is very typical of you to take the side of Sony in any given argument. You can't really deny it, as I'm the biggest Sony fan as the next guy, and have to make sure to keep myself in check from time to time keep objectivity.

So what if MS did what they did... it's always been like this. Nobody remembers some of the DC ads launched against PS2? It may seem dirty, but that's business sometimes.

 

[Qroach]

Why do you act as if everything is based upon different idiologies?

What's it based on then? emotion?

Why is anyone accused of being a hardcore x fan when disagreeing with something and stating an opinion?

That's not what's happening. For the most part, the people that don't see the humor in this both ways or claim it's not harnless were hardcore Sony fans to begin with. it's my opion that those people are overeacting. I didn't say anyone couldn't state thier opinion, did I?

Contrary to what you are saying, those people you are accusing of being "hardcore Sony fans" could say the same to you in being a "hardcore Microsoft fan".

They can go ahead and accuse me of that as it's not the point at all. I was pointing out how the harcore sony fans in this thread are the only ones that can't seem to find a middle ground here and can only find fault in MS. All I've been saying is that it shouldn't be taken so seriously,

It's all perception afterall. You obviously think it's great what Microsoft is doing

Um, where do you get that I think it's great? It's humourous to see these companies take shots at each other. Nothing more. I think you are looking at this the wrong way, because I'm NOT taking sides. I'm not defending MS and then chastising sony for doing the same thing, did you see me posting things like " sony shouldn't be so cocky" and stuff like that when we can all see something sony posted in cannes? no, it's all in good fun and I laughed. I've always maintained that these companies do stuff like this all the time and it's meant as a joke, and it's not taken so seriously!

The problem here isn't me, It's the people that can only see one side discussion.

 

[London Geezer]

Q, the "cocky" comment was made by Spiderman guy (or whatever his name is) in the first page.... I'm not him, Phil aint him........... That's the point.

 

[Qroach]

oh man you competly missed the point. It doesn't matter if you said MS was being cocky or not, all those people chastising MS for something they did and not chastising sony for them doing the same things is the point I'm making.

In reality they shouldn't be chastising anyone as stuff like this is common practice and harmless fun. That's the point.

 

[London Geezer]

Whatever. I'm just saying Sony did a better job at being funny. That's what really matters right...

 

[Ender]

Sony has never been funny.. not even in the old PS/Saturn days where you could see ads like:

"If you still want a Saturn, then your head is in Uranus"...

Ahhh..ohh... Sony is teh funneh... 8)

 

[Qroach]

Oh hahah, i forgot about those ads... shame on sony, shame...

 

[function]

Sony has never been funny.. not even in the old PS/Saturn days where you could see ads like:

"If you still want a Saturn, then your head is in Uranus"...

Classy...

 

[Spidermate]

Seeing how I had to put a little time in me other duties,I couldn't debate with you fellas....until now. This quote right here pretty much sums up my debate:

Actually, it's reminescent of the way the booth girls kind of just shrug off the onslaught of "gamers" staring, groping or left pondering why their skin is soo white in comparason. And that's exactly the differential mentality that seperates the PR of a company like Microsoft and a company like Sony; and a niche and the mainstream. I mean, these antics of MS's aren't helping and, in all honesty, aren't funny. Hey, as far as I'm concerned - I hope they keep alienating themselves.

Like I said before,their approach is quite childish and very arrogant.Now,you may look at it as being negligible,but they are giving themselves a bad name doing so.

 

[Spidermate]

Is that more mature (or does it have more class) than putting PSwho on a license plate in a tech demo? which was the real point of this discussion by the way. Like I said before, these companies take little pokes at each other all the time, I'm sure we can find more instances where sony pokes at MS and vice versa.

....and I believe that was the very samething I pointed out when we first started this discussion (companies taking shots at one another).However,none of them ever ended like the approach Microsoft used.I also don't know how many times I have to point this out about Microsoft's arrogance revolving around more than just this car crash.They have a prolonged history to doing this to any company that they feel competitive with.THIS TIME was just one of those days where they took the joke a little too far,and it doesn't help with them constantly adding to the flame cause when that time comes to please their fan base and they not having to proper wear to do so,it will result in hostile feedback which is going to make them look bad.If you are planning to be this cocky,at lease speak with your actions first,which they are not doing,IMO.

 

[Spidermate]

This is basically what the hardcore sony fans in this thread are saying.

1. Anything sony does is good and anythign MS does is bad. Anything sony does is funny, and anything MS doesn't is in bad taste ad will come back to haunt them. There's no middle ground, Sony's marketing has class and MS's doesn't.

This is what the xbox fans, developers, and people that are neutral are saying.

1. Jokes like this are all in good fun and come from both sides, both sony and MS. None of it is considered to be in bad taste by anyone that isn't a brand loyalist. This has nothing to do with marketing as it's not meant to target the general public, only those in the game industry. It's essentially inside jokes for media and game developers.

Yeah I think that about sums up this thread.

You still don't get it,do you? Cease for just one minute and look at the approach these two companies take.You notice Sony's approach isn't a directed action to where it belittles their competitor (a threat in simple terms).It is more of a caution.Now,if you look at Microsoft.They are sending out a directed action,a threat to their competitor.This is what's hurting their name,and it will haunt them if this strategy doesn't suceed.Do you get it now?Their approach is just plain immature,simple as that.