E3 Award winnners announced

Fable (Molyneux/Big Blue Box; PC dev)

Um, what PC game has Molyneux created with big blue box again? Be realistic. It's not liek molenuex hasn't worked ona consle before, but big blue box is releasing their first game, a CONSOLE title.

It's not like there's this Western based revolution that began as a responce to the Japanese failing... it's because Microsoft got turned away by all the Eastern developers and turned to the PC (which is dominated by the West) to produce titles.

Obviously you haven't been paying attention with regards to the PSX and the numerous western developed titles that were huge sellers. PS2 was basically sold on the grand theft auto series alone outside of japan. In the 2D era, the japanese developers were far ahead of the western world. When it came to 3D the ground was leveled to an extent. it was only towards the end of the PSX where the western developers were starting to get REALLY noticed.
 
I thought that I was pretty pretty good with geography and all, but I've never heard of country called 'Western.' Somebody wanna show me on the map where this country called 'Western' is? :p
 
Qroach said:
Um, what PC game has Molyneux created with big blue box again? Be realistic. It's not liek molenuex hasn't worked ona consle before, but big blue box is releasing their first game, a CONSOLE title.

Realistic? BBB is what basically amounts to a satillite/subsidiery of Lionhead in which they share talent and material that was founded at the same time Microsoft was going ahead with XBox (circa 1999) and has yet to release a game and won't untill 5-6 years into it's lifespan.

So Q, I get it. It makes so much sence! So, BBB is a corperate entity that exists legally on paper and has yet to produce a PC game (or any game fort that matter) - Nevermind the fact that much of the talent is one in the same with Lionhead, the PC developer with close relations with Microsoft.

Ahh yeah... so clear :)

Obviously you haven't been paying attention with regards to the PSX and the numerous western developed titles that were huge sellers.

Of course there were 'Western' game that sold huge on the best selling console of all time. There were also many Japanese and 'Eastern' developers who has million sellers. But, there wasn't this talk of how the Japanese were being replaced and the 'Rise of the West' and so forth.

Which is quite odd in light of the fact that this has arisen only recenly with the inclusion of an American corperation into the race that couldn't court said 'Eastern' developers and instead turned to PC developers. Hmm... connection?

PS2 was basically sold on the grand theft auto series alone outside of japan.

Right, so the predictions concerning PS2's marketshare at at this point in it's life by people (such as yourself) were all so amazingly far off base because of... GTA3? Ahh, all makes sence now.

And the massive sales within Japan are because... This is insane bud.

I thought that I was pretty pretty good with geography and all, but I've never heard of country called 'Western.' Somebody wanna show me on the map where this country called 'Western' is?

Hehe, good question actually. I just go with the flow and parallel it to the Eastside vs. Westside mentality of the gang/rap world. Shit, they all represent y'all.
 
So Q, I get it. It makes so much sence! So, BBB is a corperate entity that exists legally on paper and has yet to produce a PC game (or any game fort that matter) - Nevermind the fact that much of the talent is one in the same with Lionhead, the PC developer with close relations with Microsoft.

"big blue box studios is a games company based near guildford in the uk which specialises in original and innovative titles. founded in 1999 by simon carter, dene carter and ian lovett, we are the first of lionhead studios' satellite developers. a lthough big blue box is an entirely autonomous entity we receive the full support of lionhead, which includes the talents of games guru peter molyneux, and role-playing legend steve jackson amongst others."

See that's the point. The talent didn't necessarily come from Lionhead, as noted they are autonomous and recieve support from Molenuex and steve jackson. That support being design, some technology, and a deal with a publisher. Just because lionhead had close relations with MS, doesn't necessairly make everyone or anybody they are working with a PC developer. What makes a PC developer just that? When you release a bloddy PC game. correct, do you agree with that statement?

If all it takes is a PC game being released, then you might as well call DMA (GTA) a PC developer since they always made PC titles too (they developed lemmings on the PC, remember that?). Hell, they even developed amiga games.

For all we know Fable could started out as a PSX project back and 99 and then moved to PC, which then moved to xbox. What difference does that make now? You shouldn't be suprised how long it takes to make a action RPG of this nature/size. Specifically if you're a small deverloper before getting the big funding for full development. I wouldn't be suprised if it was a 4 man operation until MS picked it up. If you think what makes a company a PC developer is just having a game demo running on PC, well then that could apply to just about any developer at some point, since pc is the easiest platform to prototype on.

Of course there were 'Western' game that sold huge on the best selling console of all time. There were also many Japanese and 'Eastern' developers who has million sellers. But, there wasn't this talk of how the Japanese were being replaced and the 'Rise of the West' and so forth.

Yes there were. Western games that sold better and more copies than any japanese title release outside of japan. Western developed games that essentially sold the PS2 platform in north america and europe. If you really want to get into an argument that titles like GTA, western sports titles, and western first person shooters didn't really catch on and sell the PS2 then go ahead. I however won't be listening to that BS, neither will the publishers Rockstar, EA, Ubisoft, Vivendi, and so many others. You know, those publishing houses that aren't located in japan and have been kicking some serious ass sales wise? Not like any of their titles do well inside of japan.


Which is quite odd in light of the fact that this has arisen only recenly with the inclusion of an American corperation into the race that couldn't court said 'Eastern' developers and instead turned to PC developers. Hmm... connection?

Once again, you can't really call the majority of western developers PC developers if they never released a title on PC, can you. Not that it matters, since it's the western developers that have taken over the top sales on the PS2. Just look at the top selling titles on that platform.

Right, so the predictions concerning PS2's marketshare at at this point in it's life by people (such as yourself) were all so amazingly far off base because of... GTA3? Ahh, all makes sence now.

GTA is one of the reasons MANY people picked up a PS2. Not to forget the all the sports games and first person shooters (which are only so popular outside of japan). GTA was one example of many on the PS2.

And the massive sales within Japan are because... This is insane bud.

You're right, this is insane. I said before "outside of japan"! Almost every one of the top selling titles created outside of japan haven't sold squat inside of japan. The reason for that is Japanese gamers buy japanese made games, Period. It's always been like that and always will be like that. So the sucess of PS2 in japan can be attributed to Japanese developers, where as it's success outside of japan can be attirbuted to the western developers. Same could be said for gamecube which trails the xbox in sales in just about every region but japan. I hope you notice that trend.
 
Maybe it would be a good idea for 'eastern' developers to start producing games based on mega licenses, like Matrix etc.
:rolleyes:
 
I think the best part about this E3 awards is that PS2 won best hw 8)

Anyway, I've been waiting since the last thread about this topic and still none of the guys hyping "West dominates East" thing have bothered to answer me whether this country named "East" includes other places or is it a Japan exclusive?

Speaking of which, another question related to this topic that bugs me...

If there's a bunch of "westerner" employees creating a game in an "eastern" company, or vice versa, what exactly does that mean? (if anything)
Does it only count whether the company was founded in east or west, or does this extend to nationalities of people working in the company?
Are western subsidiaries of eastern companies east or west?
... :?:
 
The guys at Big Blue Box have made Dungeon Keeper 2 before. Anyway, looking at the 500MB Fable video, Molyneux should stop talking all the time if he want people thinking Fable is not a Molyneux game. Carter seemed to be here only to bring the coffee.

Anyway, these awards are as interesting as the movie academy awards where everything turn around the US industry and the whole world compete for the best foreign movie award :(

Ok, the US industry has a show, pay for the show, and they want to be the star of it. No big deal.
 
wazoo said:
Anyway, these awards are as interesting as the movie academy awards where everything turn around the US industry and the whole world compete for the best foreign movie award :(

Thats what I hate, when some people here shout from rooftops, when they get nominated for Oscar best foreign movie category.....they must understand that Oscar is just an American award show, not a UN sponsered show :D !
 
Deepak said:
Thats what I hate, when some people here shout from rooftops, when they get nominated for Oscar best foreign movie category.....they must understand that Oscar is just an American award show, not a UN sponsered show :D
!

and E3 is a Us show. That is the same.
 
There is no straight forward definition of what is eastern and what is western! At most we can consider games made by western developers/their subsidiary (whichever country) as western and same thing for eastern!

*eastern* games are more fun IMO!
 
zurich said:
rabidrabbit said:
Maybe it would be a good idea for 'eastern' developers to start producing games based on mega licenses, like Matrix etc.
:rolleyes:

Like Kemco's Batman games? :LOL:
Heh :) But it would sell much more if there had been a Batman movie tie-in. They still need to practise better timing and marketing, if they want to sell crap as well as 'western' developers.
 
One thing is sure....there are many instances when many crap western games have sold like crazy (*cough*Enter the Matrix), while only good eastern games have sold well....
 
It's true. West dominates East... looking at the Earth up-side down.

Fafalada, you should not complain. Korea is a western country to Japan. So Korea devs are > than JPN ones :LOL:
 
Qroach said:
Obviously you haven't been paying attention with regards to the PSX and the numerous western developed titles that were huge sellers. PS2 was basically sold on the grand theft auto series alone outside of japan.

the PSX has just been announced, how could you see huge sellers title ?
Or maybe you meant PS1/PSOne ?
 
Thanks for schooling Vince for me Q, it saves me the bother. :)

Vince, consider yourself OWNED! 8)

It used to be that games from Japan would be the only main hardware movers. Now it is games developed in North America and Europe that are the main hardware movers in those markets. This should be obvious. It transcends just about all hardware as Rogue Squadron and Metroid Prime did a lot for the Gamecube too in "western" markets and actually goes a long way towards explaining why Nintendo hasn't done better with the Gamecube. They need more help from western developers. Losing Rare was a big mistake IMO.

Ironically, Ninja Gaiden will probably sell a few Xbox units this holiday season, thereby demonstrating that trends are only trends and not hard and fast rules.
 
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