The interview mentions that there're in fact big statistical uncertainties / margins of error. So the numbers might vary a bit depending on the extrapolation method. That's why I mentioned that those were derived by Sony, based on statistical data collected by Media Control. So the other manufacturers might draw a bit different conclusion.
Consistant / Reliable European / Other sales data source?
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The interview mentions that there're in fact big statistical uncertainties / margins of error. So the numbers might vary a bit depending on the extrapolation method. That's why I mentioned that those were derived by Sony, based on statistical data collected by Media Control. So the other manufacturers might draw a bit different conclusion.
Sony announced 1,2M PS3 for December 2007 for Europe on Bloomberg…
http://www.gamepro.fr/actualites/29951/sony-ps3-europe/
http://www.gamepro.fr/actualites/29951/sony-ps3-europe/
We don't have Euro XB360 numbers, do we?
Added: Here's some Spanish and German software numbers
Spain
1. Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 (PS3)
2. More Brain Training with Dr Kawashima (DS)
3. Uncharted: Drake's Fortune (PS3)
4. Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 (PS2)
5. Super Mario Galaxy (Wii)
6. Dr Kawashima's Brain Training (DS)
7. Assassin's Creed (PS3)
8. New Super Mario Bros (DS)
9. Big Brain Academy (Wii)
10. Practice English (DS)
Germany
1. More Brain Training with Dr Kawashima (DS)
2. Wii Play (Wii)
3. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (PC)
4. World of Warcraft (PC)
5. Mario Party DS (DS)
6. Super Mario Galaxy (Wii)
7. World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade (PC)
8. SingStar: Apres Ski (PS2)
9. Mario & Sonic at the Olympics (Wii)
10. Eye Training (DS)
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=32323
Goes to show the diversity of the European market!
Added: Here's some Spanish and German software numbers
Spain
1. Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 (PS3)
2. More Brain Training with Dr Kawashima (DS)
3. Uncharted: Drake's Fortune (PS3)
4. Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 (PS2)
5. Super Mario Galaxy (Wii)
6. Dr Kawashima's Brain Training (DS)
7. Assassin's Creed (PS3)
8. New Super Mario Bros (DS)
9. Big Brain Academy (Wii)
10. Practice English (DS)
Germany
1. More Brain Training with Dr Kawashima (DS)
2. Wii Play (Wii)
3. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (PC)
4. World of Warcraft (PC)
5. Mario Party DS (DS)
6. Super Mario Galaxy (Wii)
7. World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade (PC)
8. SingStar: Apres Ski (PS2)
9. Mario & Sonic at the Olympics (Wii)
10. Eye Training (DS)
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=32323
Goes to show the diversity of the European market!
Difficult to know real sales numbers in EU…we got only some PR numbers…
The only info is that "analysts" don't think (if analysts may thinks…) Sony reach their 11M PS3 WW for March, but more around 8M WW, from that you can tell that were the same quantity of PS3 in UE than US.
For France, PS3 was announce to reach the 360 in the end of 2007, but it's not really official number, around 500K
Well its not a december number. Keep in mind Sony released a similar figure for the US where they said 1.2 million sales, but december sales were under 800k via NPD. Maybe 1m of that euro figure was in december, but you can't tell from that release.
heres the latest nz numbers
1-9 are ps2 games (including 5 singstar games)
10 a xb360 game
http://www.gfk.com.au/Charts/Entertainment/NZ Top 10 All Full Priced Games.htm
nz is sony land, the 3 biggest sellers here are ps2/ps3/psp
ie neither the nintendo wii or the nintendo ds arent in the top3, is there anywhere else on the planet where this is the case?
heres some norway numbers
http://www.dagbladet.no/kultur/2008/01/14/523829.html
nintendo ds only managed 4th place, ps2 leads the pack
http://www.dagbladet.no/kultur/2008/01/14/523829.html
nintendo ds only managed 4th place, ps2 leads the pack
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David Reeves interview
regarding sales numbers in all PAL territories.
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/29430/Reeves-PS3-will-overtake-360-by-summer
regarding sales numbers in all PAL territories.
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/29430/Reeves-PS3-will-overtake-360-by-summer
That's just Reeves saying what we've just heard about December sales. The only extra bit of info we have is...
“It has not yet reached that in the UK. But the team here expect to overtake the installed base of Xbox 360 across all PAL territories in late summer. It’s also worth mentioning that last week we outsold Xbox 360 in PAL territories by a ratio of three to one.”
A 3:1 sales ratio post Christmas with neither platform having a key sales driver probably shows a snapshot of general ratio of interest at that point across PAL territories - the interest clearly favours PS3. We don't have Christmas numbers though which would show interest with a push behind sales. Given the high price of PS3, things can surely improve considerable for Sony in this territory over the coming months and years, with price drops and software rollout. I'm not sure what MS can do. They have a quality library and a cheaper, capable system, but they're not landing the sales. If they can't fathom why (software diversity? Marketing?) then how can they ever make serious inroads to Europe?
“It has not yet reached that in the UK. But the team here expect to overtake the installed base of Xbox 360 across all PAL territories in late summer. It’s also worth mentioning that last week we outsold Xbox 360 in PAL territories by a ratio of three to one.”
A 3:1 sales ratio post Christmas with neither platform having a key sales driver probably shows a snapshot of general ratio of interest at that point across PAL territories - the interest clearly favours PS3. We don't have Christmas numbers though which would show interest with a push behind sales. Given the high price of PS3, things can surely improve considerable for Sony in this territory over the coming months and years, with price drops and software rollout. I'm not sure what MS can do. They have a quality library and a cheaper, capable system, but they're not landing the sales. If they can't fathom why (software diversity? Marketing?) then how can they ever make serious inroads to Europe?
I know. A 3:1 ratio in that week, a snapshot as I said (though ambiguously 
) of post Christmas, post sales-rush sales.
) of post Christmas, post sales-rush sales.Based on the worldwide figures announced at CES combined with NPD and MC, we can infer that Europe has maintained its ratio at roughly 35% of US sales. So the X360 isn't selling worse than before in Europe, in fact it's selling better, but the PS3 is outdoing it regardless.
I hear that microsoft is making 10-15% per console (not sure if its before or after RROD) So they could drop the price $50 and make it up with a single attached game to break even. (possibly for spring)
They also have the "Jasper" refresh for whipping a little extra off the price if they have to. (How many people would buy an xbox 360 if they thought that the hardware problem was solved?) Furthermore, simply removing the 3 year RROD warranty and including 1 year standard would indicate to consumers such a problem was no longer an issue.
Another cut 6 months later would be aggressive, maybe even possible (with jasper). If the Xbox sells games at the rate it currently is, they could afford to do some agressive cuts.
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Speculation is now Reeves was using the old PSP+PS2+PS3 slight of hand to make the 3-1 statement.
But I guess it's up to the individual which way they believe it.
But he didn't say "PS3" outsold 360 3-1" he said "We" outsold 360 3-1. And Sony has made misleading PR statements before.
Personally I'm not sure. I could see sales evidence for both interpetations.
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