Sony's has never accused liksang of selling stolen Sony products, so it more than likely LikSang gets their product legitimately. Their website shows that they acquire from retailers and not even wholesalers.
Importing consoles and how to shut lik-sang
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Sony's has never accused liksang of selling stolen Sony products, so it more than likely LikSang gets their product legitimately. Their website shows that they acquire from retailers and not even wholesalers.
hence my reaction to your original post (that one you posted over from another forum). it was not a disagreement with the post per say, but was a reaction at the, erm, motivation, behind all this. i.e. the fact that sony are effectively discontent with themselves - as its their product which was (most likely) fairly acquired by the resellers from sony's own stocks, and it all stems from sony inability to supply certain markets at fair prices. IOW, my post was more of a sarcastic exclamation than anything else.
Oh please. Litanies of MS abuses are not exactly scarce on the Internet.
Yeah, but must involve indirectly affecting customers except for the inconvience of that "genuine windows authentication" crap and lack of security which is more of an ineptitude rather than abuse.
But since of litanies of MS abuses aren't scarce could you please name one that would be as tangible to you and I as consumers as Sony's action toward European gamers.
You must be young or new to computing if you don't know that! How's about stealing other companies' technology and ideas, knowing their legal/financial muscle gave them impunity? There are far worsae crimes being committed than limiting availibilty of a piece of hardware to a region by a few months. If you want to rag Sony for anything, go with the root-kit fiasco! Griping so strongly about what amounts to little more than impatience is childish IMO. Think yourselves lucky you have the option to get a PS3 in March, and aren't just struggling to survive!
That's a fair statement and one I go along with. Sure I'll get more angry at what a company has done to me. However, I can't expect everyone else to share my sentiments. If I don't buy their products, that's my choice. But I can't expect everyone else to stop buying their products without either involving them with my emotional traumas or informing them as to why rationally they shouldn't support that company. Swanlee's rationale seems to be 'they're evil' to whit I reply 'yep. Like the rest of 'em.'Equal tolerance? That like claiming because thousands of people commit murder every year that the murderer of your mother (a little over the top, I know) deserves the same level of emotions from you as every other murderer.
I find emotional investment in consumer products that "you" (as in any of us) don't own a little ridiculous. Thats why I always give the same comment when this situation arises.
"If you don't like the actions of a company, then don't buy their products."
If swanlee wants to make an emotional case, he should describe how Sony have hurt him that they warrant our scorn. Did they murder his mother? Is he the purveyor of Liksang? Did a Sony battery blow up his laptop and destroy his life's work?
At the moment we only have presented a logical argument which doesn't make sense. Why should we all withdraw support from Sony on account of bad choices and hapennings, and yet not shun other companies? Logically they should be treated with equal tolerance, no?
I'm old enough to know MS not so fair practices, I am not disputing those events and MS being well versed in such practices. However, what Sony is doing is more....I can't find a word to accurately define my thought. But there is distinct difference to me about suing to keep a company from selling a product under a name that you think infringes on your brand and suing a company from providing your product to a region simply for the sake of greater sales and profit margins that are too high to account for localization costs. There a more direct affect on the consumers versus making it harder for another company's free application to work as well as your free app.
I can agree with you on that swanlee is being a little too emotional and over the top as it seems less than genuine.
I can agree with "equal tolerance" when the concept of "equal relevance" is also true.
How about Browser-sniffing and deliberatly crippling sites?
Do you really think it makes a difference for many people if Lik-Sang is exporting PSPs/PS3s (because thats the only thing covered in the suits), and if it does... why hasnt Sony the right to schedule the launch as they see fit. I mean if you have an imported PS3 and cant play BluRay Discs you can buy in local stores, you are less likely to buy them at all.
So either Lik-Sang was only delivering small amounts of consoles, but in that case I dont know why they went out of business - or a significant part of them, in which case you could easier understand that Sony was bothered.
Bear in mind that Im not happy bout Sony forbidding exporting their consoles ( probably in big numbers ), but you need to put things in perspective. So who is actually the biggest victim in your eys?
Lik-Sang - Why did they close their doors, did they even get warnings before the lawsuit?
Lik-Sang costumers - Lik-Sang surely had the chance to continue business without exporting Sony Consoles
European Gamers - We got a long tradition of delayed launches and overpriced hardware, the delay was known before Lik-Sang closed. The price is this time close enough that you wouldnt save money importing, only time.
Dispicable? Yes. But is merely an inconvenience and irritating at most, since the additional cost of acquiring and maintaining IE just for msn.com is free.
If most of Lik-Sang's profit came from exporting Sony's product into Europe then its understandable that they close their doors.
Umm, you mean trying to damage another companies reputation by making it appear broken to its customers is an inconvenience??? Compared to that, suing is a honest tactic!
What do you think Im losing after Lik-Sangs gone? 3 months playtime in the hypothetical case I`d want the first batch, and I´d actually get the console that soon - its not like there wont be shortages.
Exactly, and that would hint that its more than just the "occasional console". We still have different markets. If a company in the 3rd World would start buying "Windows XP Light" in large quantities and ship that to Europe you would see MS jumping too.
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Can I change that from "despicable " to "hilarious". Look at itunes/apple. The irony is if MS didn't have a monopoly, they could probably get away with locking out FF and Opera from Windows. It still a mere inconvenience and a funny way to take a stab at your competition.
The cost of your scenario on the customer is $0.00.
At least Lik-Sang could have provided you with a cheaper alternative to the traditional method of purchasing the PS3.