BusinessWeek on Next Xbox and PlayStation 3 (DM will like)

[I.S.T.]

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I am serious.

Only the marketing genious could have pulled the $30 million purchase of three FFs and Mortal Combat 3 exclusivity rights. MS marketing staffs are amatures by comparison.

I have seen the inferior machine with superior marketing beating the superior machine with a clueless marketing department too often...

I'm curious, by superior machine do you mean superior hardware, game lineup, both or something else?

 

[I.S.T.]

Thanks, Deadmeat.

 

[zidane1strife]

virtually limitless supply of cash.

The dollar... it's fate depends on events that will transpire this year, all hell could very well break loose... those that have the most hard assets, and the least dollars in the bank will be able to survive easier... if things go bad...

More time = higher spec. Hype or no hype, it's how it works.

Yup, with a whole additional year, it could yield more than double their expected performance...

The latter will be very important between Sony and MS (remember the comment of MS about the amount of ram on XboxNext)

Yeah, MS better be careful, sony could very well say 256MB, and later go full GB+, if dev.s complain enough, and that'd be pretty bad.

To be honest, i'm playing Farcry at full detail (everything on VERY HIGH) and of course the detail is astounding, and the water looks yummy, but i have to admit, Jak2 looks so much better, and with seemingly more geometry, that i'm really left wondering (1) how much of my 5900U is idle while rendering PC games, (2) How come PC games still have trouble matching consoles geometry output, (3) how freaking good will next gen consoles game look.

It's going to be interesting indeed. For the first time, we'll see consoles with truly heavy R&D, unlike the prior ones, it's all lead up to this point, from buying off-the-shelf or slightly R&D'd h/w, to full blown specifically designed h/w with heavy R&D. Now they're no longer following the edge of technology, as they've in the past, but leading it. Your experiences are only a glimpse of what's to most likely happen next gen.

From the things we've seen, B/W wise, and cpu wise, in terms of 3d s/w, it seems consoles couldl very well hold the crown in those areas for the rest of this decade... who knows what other areas they'lll own... but if there is one thing evolution/hardware/tech dev., etc has shown us, it's that the dedicated solution can often exceed the non-dedicated solution sufficiently to surpass it even while lagging by years of dev.

 

[wco81]

It's going to be interesting indeed. For the first time, we'll see consoles with truly heavy R&D, unlike the prior ones, it's all lead up to this point, from buying off-the-shelf or slightly R&D'd h/w, to full blown specifically designed h/w with heavy R&D. Now they're no longer following the edge of technology, as they've in the past, but leading it. Your experiences are only a glimpse of what's to most likely happen next gen.

Didn't Sony spend $500 million for the PS1? That figure sticks out. Don't recall what was spent on the PS2 but they built fabs and were risking manufacturing processes which weren't widely used yet.

Regardless of how bleeding edge the technology may or may not be, they're constrained by costs to produce a product priced for the mass-market. Still they're spending hundreds of millions or even billions.

 

[Megadrive1988]

It's going to be interesting indeed. For the first time, we'll see consoles with truly heavy R&D, unlike the prior ones, it's all lead up to this point, from buying off-the-shelf or slightly R&D'd h/w, to full blown specifically designed h/w with heavy R&D. Now they're no longer following the edge of technology, as they've in the past, but leading it. Your experiences are only a glimpse of what's to most likely happen next gen.

while Sony spent quite alot on PS1 and especially PS2, I agree with the essence of your point. well said.

 

[Paul]

while Sony spent quite alot on PS1 and especially PS2, I agree with the essence of your point. well said.

Agreed with both of your points. Though I do want to mention, R&D for PS3 completely dwarfs the investments for PS2 or Psone, it's almost unreal.

 

[Guden Oden]

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It has nothing to do with hardware and every thing to do with marketing...
SCEI has a world-class marketing department, so they win...

Yes DM, I'm sure the biggest, sexiest games library of any console has absolutely NOTHING to do with it... It's all just marketing hype.

*rolls eyes AND laughs out loud*

 

[Lazy8s]

Chicken and the egg.

 

[wazoo]

Didn't Sony spend $500 million for the PS1?

The ps1 was never supposed to be a success. It was built because was upset with Nintendo and the cancelation of the CDROM addon made by Sony. In fact, based on the 3DO and all CD based consoles, preliminaries sales target for the ps1 was 3M worldwide. It was really Ken pet project made by a small team.

The ps2 is another story.

 

[overclocked]

I just want too ad a pretty big issue with PS3 for ex that here in europa we don´t have HDTV´s and that´s bugs me

It´s a shame and i hope it´s on the horizon that we will replace it totally.
It´s even stranger when we think of how a big IT land sweden is.. I

 

[thop]

It's probably because PAL is a bit better than NTSC, so there is no rush to HDTV.

 

[a688]

It's probably because PAL is a bit better than NTSC, so there is no rush to HDTV.

PAL isn't better than NTSC, its different. Do you even know what the difference is between them?

 

[wco81]

Well regardless of whether the new consoles have full support of HDTV (that means not the occasional 720p game but having the power to pump 1080i, maybe even 1080p games without sweating), of course current analog TV modes will be supported as analog will be what most households will have.

It makes sense for Sony to showcase HDTV games since they make HDTVs and they're staking a lot on Blue Ray and Blue Ray movies.

But even they would not be so foolish to ignore the several hundred million NTSC and PAL TVs out there.

They just have to support the HDTV systems that are out there now (including connections like DVI) so that HDTV games could be a carrot to potential buyers of HDTV hardware.

That may leave Europe out of luck, if they develop an incompatible standard and interfaces. Particularly if they do some newfangled SCART thing instead of using what's already out there. Still, Europe does have a taste for widescreen TV sets so that might make market acceptance of HDTV sets faster. I remember the MUSE broadcasts of the Barcelona Olympics in '92 but I guess they never deployed it.

 

[Guden Oden]

It's probably because PAL is a bit better than NTSC, so there is no rush to HDTV.

PAL isn't better than NTSC, its different.

PAL is actually better, it is higher in resolution and the black level/color signal is considerably superior. It's also a lot closer to cinematic 24fps playback speed, so movies run smoother.

 

[London Geezer]

PAL might have better resolution than NTSC, however it's not such a huge difference to completely ignore HDTV standards which ARE a huge difference from both PAL and NTSC. Saying "u've got PAL, u dont need HDTV!" is plain stupid. Like saying "u've got saliva, u don't need lube!".............. :|

 

[I.S.T.]

PAL might have better resolution than NTSC, however it's not such a huge difference to completely ignore HDTV standards which ARE a huge difference from both PAL and NTSC. Saying "u've got PAL, u dont need HDTV!" is plain stupid. Like saying "u've got saliva, u don't need lube!"..............

Thanks for the mental image, london-boy.

 

[PC-Engine]

Here's the summary of the situation:

1. If MS launches Xbox2 early, PS3 will win because hardware that gets released later will ALWAYS be better (just like how NV3x is much better than R3xx)

2. If Xbox2 launches at the same time as PS3, Sony's marketing machine and established market share will overwhelm them.

3. If Xbox2 launches later than PS3, Sony will win.. just like how PS2 beat Xbox.

No matter what MS does, they will never beat Sony. Kutaragi is the alpha and the omega.

Umm...it's not about beating SONY, it's about taking a big chunk of their market

It's probably because PAL is a bit better than NTSC, so there is no rush to HDTV.

PAL isn't better than NTSC, its different.

PAL is actually better, it is higher in resolution and the black level/color signal is considerably superior. It's also a lot closer to cinematic 24fps playback speed, so movies run smoother.

You forgot that PAL has less refresh and can strain the eyes...

 

[qwerty2000]

I'd like to post some thing

This would be amazing if the ps3 could do this
Do you think it can?

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[Paul]

Time will tell.

 

[MrSingh]

why are you guys still arguing about this? PS3 has already won, the console war is already over.