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MiNdVelocity said:
Why can 't they just be more like Ati and bring us chips with off the shelf tech!!! Curse Nvidia for being innovative!!! Down with Nvidia!!!
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thast the problem with fanboi's. Any sensible balanced, neutral stance is seen as favouritism by one side or the other. sheesh

Of course no one can be truly neutral, but one can attemp to take a balanced view.

And currently the balanced view is that ATI have delivered big time on a 0.15micron process and nVidia are struggling on a 0.13 micron process.

However according to the nVidiots - talking about that makes you a FanATIc ;)
 
Sharkfood said:
Nothing wrong with a big marketing hype if what's being hyped is worth it. But, much like the moral of the childhood story, "The Little Boy Who Cried Wolf", valuable lessons can be learned. :)
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And of course we all remember the line that the autumn '01 line-up was MORE than a Gf3 refresh. Of ocourse that was when the Gf4 was probably planned.
 
MiNdVelocity said:
Ok, everyone lets flame Nvidia for pushing the limits of modern chip fabrication technology. They should be ashamed for trying to bring us consumers cutting edge graphics in such a short amount of time. Why can 't they just be more like Ati and bring us chips with off the shelf tech!!! Curse Nvidia for being innovative!!! Down with Nvidia!!!
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Every other company got criticised in the past when delays occured for whatever reason, why would NVIDIA be an exeption from it?

"Off the shelf tech"? At the moment ATI has more advanced products in EVERY market segment, ranging between dx8.1 and dx9 compliance. Feel free to make the comparison to the competition and please don't neglect to foresee when NV will be able to place the first dx9 mainstream products on those shelves.
 
That's okay. MiNDVelocity is going to have a LOT more abuse coming once the NV30 is released. hehe.

Let's look at the current best-guess rumors...

In my mind, the only real "reliable" information is that it's 128-bit versus ATI's 256 bit. The only reason why I believe this more than any other rumor is because from a direct question of this in an interview (cant find the link.. anyone have handy?) the response was not a denial, but a typical NVidia PR "draw away the fire affirmative response" - something along the lines of how unique the NV30 will be, focusing on quality of pixels rather than speed/quantity.

Given this, I look at the NV30 likely implementing one of the following:
1) Some sort of deferred rendering technology.
2) Some sort of scalable/multi-chip technology.

In either case, it's going to be a LOT of fun posting NVidia's previous marketing mud slinging word for word that they have used in the years past trying to discount and debase both. :)

Are we ready? YEP! We got 5 years of NVIDIA FAQS, PR documents and powerpoint presentations all ready and waiting. :)
 
Shark, IF you are right...... it's gona be a real bloodbath on the net! Those that can say no good about nVidia before are gona circle like vultures, and those that have supported & regirgitated every word of nV PR are gona have to eat major crow or attack like the rest of the vultures.....
 
Good to see the lack of substance "name calling rebuttal" is still the preferred method of "debate". lol.

Might want to go back to the forums at Madonion.com there MiND. You'll find family there. :)

And yeah, matrox- it will be fun watching all the fanboi's running around with nothing more than colorful new names to point at everyone else bringing forth facts if the NV30 deviates from the previous 5-year NVidia marketing crusades.
 
Oh and please give the fanboi crap a rest. For you info I use Ati, Nvidia, and even PowerVR silicon. I am just really tire of some people (not all) in here talking trash about Nvidia and then claiming they are neutral. Give me a break. Ati is at the top of their game and that's not a bad thing. They have been in 2nd place for years and they diserve it. But I think too many people are underestimating Nvidia's resolve to this situation.
 
The system I am on right now- VisionTek Geforce4 Ti4600 + capture.
My den gaming system- Geforce3 (not Ti- first series).
Main gaming rig- Radeon 9700 Pro.

For "..spoken like a true fanATIc.." I don't think ATI would like my style of being a "fanATIc", but then again I wouldnt expect someone that can't even muster a single logical, reasonable rebuttal to have a clue.

The point being (and I'll explain slowly so maybe you can grasp it the second time)- is that NVidia has discounted a number of technologies over the years, rather vehemently in fact, so by suddenly embracing such technologies will give the fanboi's ammunition for launching a large scale "hypocrisy" onslaught.

Now scurry along back to Madonion.com and nvnews.net forums. Nothing to see here. :)
 
DaveBaumann said:
I would assume he's talking about tile based deferred rendering.
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I can't believe Richard Huddy spent time (when he was at nvidia) telling developers to address overdraw lying the zbuffer in the first pass in a paper on their upcoming GPU, if it's a deferred renderer.It wouldn't make much sense.

ciao,
Marco
 
NVidia has discounted a number of technologies over the years, rather vehemently in fact, so by suddenly embracing such technologies will give the fanboi's ammunition for launching a large scale "hypocrisy" onslaught.
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Aw come on. Marketing is marketing. IMHO, all the "hypocrisy" stuff is highly overblown, whether it is a Kyro-bashing internal document or a demonstration of DDR2 on a R300. Companies pay their marketing departments for a good reason - to make their products look better than they really are. Can't blame them (Marketing) for doing their jobs.

If nVidia pulls a 180 with their nv30, going from 5 years of ripping on deferred rendering to coming out with a super-high-end deferred renderer, how would that be any different from any of the turnarounds nV did before?

From TNT2 "32 bit rendering and large textures - quality is everything" to GeForce/GF2 "Look how fast our 16 bit is!"

From GeForce2 "Texel Fillrate > All" to GeForce3 "Texels suck, memory bandwidth and pixel shaders rule."

For NV30 to be deferred wouldn't be much more surprising or "hypocritical" than previous geforce releases. And after all, what do you expect? If (and this is hypothetical) nv knows that deferred rendering could potentially be an overwhelming advantage over traditional renderers, but they know that they won't have deferred renderers ready for several more years, what can they do other than vehemently trash deferred rendering while secretly working on a solution themselves?
 
NVidia also ripped on multichip solutions, with their notorious NVIDIA "FAQ" concerning the question of the Voodoo5's FSAA. It was probably one of the more humorous "answers" to a question I'd ever heard at the time... and I still get a good chuckle from it. hehe.

One thing I find funny-
Companies pay their marketing departments for a good reason - to make their products look better than they really are.
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I agree this is the purpose of marketing.. but this wasnt the approach NVidia's marketing department used. Attacking other products and other product's technology was the preferred route. :)
 
MiNdVelocity said:
Well Sharkfood's opinion seems a little one sided. Hmmm... spoken like a true fanATIc.
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MiNdVelocity said:
Oh and please give the fanboi crap a rest. For you info I use Ati, Nvidia, and even PowerVR silicon.
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Spoken like a true Derek Smart clone. Maybe MiNdVelocity is a new alias for DS or something?
 
MiNdVelocity said:
That's okay. MiNDVelocity is going to have a LOT more abuse coming once the NV30 is released. hehe.
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Well Sharkfood's opinion seems a little one sided. Hmmm... spoken like a true fanATIc.
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Well, MiNd, I really think you need a little bit of knowledge before you start spouting off. Sharkfood was around these parts for many years, and even those that disagree with him have nothing but respect for his knowledge & insight. The thing is that, here in B3d, most everyone has a lot of knowledge on ATI, nVidia & 3DFX, some more than others. But most of us are fans of 3D, not particular companies. IF the NV30 comes out & proves to be superior product, many here that you seem to want to brand as fanATIcs will happily inVidia for their products. BUT, ATM all we have is PR FUD & hype. And most of us have seen this before. The bottom line is that it is you who are the fanboi, speaking about what may be as if it really was. Before you brand someone in these forums, why not do a little research (ever use the search button? <hint>) to see just where they are coming from. If this is too much for you, please go back to someplace where you can post nVidiot stuff and only recieve praise for it. There are many sites that cater to nVidia products.... I'm sure you know a few!
 
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