UniversalTruth
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Absolutely, and then don't ask yourself why different partners prefer to work with Intel and NV.
What's the point to separate OEM products from retail ones? Why?
AMD: Sea Islands R1100 (8*** series) Speculation/ Rumour Thread
Absolutely, and then don't ask yourself why different partners prefer to work with Intel and NV.
What's the point to separate OEM products from retail ones? Why?
boxleitnerb
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Roadmaps speak of Sea Islands, not of Central Islands. If Sea Islands is just a rebrand, does that mean Central Islands won't come in 2013? Or are the roadmaps fake/wrong, then?
Why do you still assume Sea Islands is the 8000 series, and not what comes after?
This looks very much like the relaunch nvidia did with the 500 series - new SKUs based on the same chips, but frequency/power retweaked on (maybe) new chip revisions and more mature process.
(to try to "refresh" the "unfair" general perception of the cards)
This looks very much like the relaunch nvidia did with the 500 series - new SKUs based on the same chips, but frequency/power retweaked on (maybe) new chip revisions and more mature process.
(to try to "refresh" the "unfair" general perception of the cards)
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boxleitnerb
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Ok, my mistake.
Dave hinted that HD8000 is not Sea Islands and that I/we don't know what Sea Islands actually means. Going a bit further and reading this article, it becomes more clear:
http://semiaccurate.com/2012/01/02/...d-gpu-is-not-called-sea-islands/#.UOvvCnf88W4
“Sea Islands” are a generic descriptor, not a chip family.
Southern Islands, Northern Islands, Volcanic Islands, Pirate Islands are ALL a subset of Sea Islands. HD9000=Canary Islands. Why they write the generic "Sea Islands" instead of "Canary Islands" on their roadmap, is beyond my knowledge.
Dave hinted that HD8000 is not Sea Islands and that I/we don't know what Sea Islands actually means. Going a bit further and reading this article, it becomes more clear:
http://semiaccurate.com/2012/01/02/...d-gpu-is-not-called-sea-islands/#.UOvvCnf88W4
“Sea Islands” are a generic descriptor, not a chip family.
Southern Islands, Northern Islands, Volcanic Islands, Pirate Islands are ALL a subset of Sea Islands. HD9000=Canary Islands. Why they write the generic "Sea Islands" instead of "Canary Islands" on their roadmap, is beyond my knowledge.
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Yes, as above it seems like the real next gen chips will likely be 9000 series. Whether they are Sea Islands or if these chips are still Sea Islands I'm not sure. The only oddity is the 7770 and 7750 being rebranded to a 8760 and 8740 respectively. Are they planning to release two newer 8000 series chips just for these two? If they were going to introduce new generation chips at a later date into the 8000 series across the entire upper-range it would have made sense for them to do this with the 88x0 and 89x0 as well. Personally I would see a move like that as bad for marketing so moving straight to 9000 series makes more sense, even though it seems wasteful to me, this seems like an OEM driven reality, unfortunately!
I think his hint was more about the fact that all the HD8M-lineup are "Sea Islands" too
boxleitnerb
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HD8000M is Solar Systems. Solar Systems is a generic term too. There are many solar systems in the universe 
All the previous mobile generations had their own "family name" too but were still considered "Evergreen", "Northern Islands" etcHD8000M is Solar Systems. Solar Systems is a generic term too. There are many solar systems in the universe
boxleitnerb
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Maybe AMD wants to streamline their code names and give them more structure?
AMD press release from today (January 7, 2013): "AMD Delivers Enhanced Gaming and Improved Application Performance with Latest Mobile and Desktop Graphics Technology." This press release links to an overview and specs of the 8000 series mobile GPUs and 8000 series OEM desktop GPUs, the mobile ones we already know about, but the desktop ones are new.
Many of the desktop GPUs appear to have the same specs as those of existing 7000 series desktop GPUs (there are some minor TDP changes).I'm seriously hoping I'm misreading this, it's a series of typos, or it's some sort of joke.
- HD 8970 = HD 7970 GHz Edition
- HD 8950 = HD 7950 with Boost
- HD 8870 = HD 7870 GHz Edition
- HD 8760 = HD 7770 GHz Edition
- HD 8740 = HD 7750 (rev 2, 900 MHz)
And the other GPUs:
- HD 8670 and HD 8570 appear to be Oland based, with 384 SPs
- HD 8400 appears to be a Caicos
- HD 8350 appears to be a Cedar
I wonder if the HD 8xxx series is OEM only, like the GeForce 3xx series was...
iMacmatician
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I didn't look closely enough. The mobile announcement shows more parts than I think what was previously known, 12 in total.
I'm not sure how surprised I should be to see DDR3 options in the entire 8800M line, including the highest-end part, the 8870M. The 8830M is even DDR3-only. At least the DDR3, wherever it shows up, is 2 Gbps instead of the previously common 1.8.
I dont understand the rebranding...??
One or two low tier cards, maybe. But the entire range?
What does OEM mean here? The Alienwares, Cyberpower, Maingear, ROG? They are already offering 7970 options...why do they want to force a name change for the same performance? Won't AMD look silly in the face of Nvidia GK2 to bend over to OEM request...?
Who thinks AMD just wanted to start a new name line as we are reaching 9xxx and thus chose to fast forward their number game? The real Sea Islands will very likely be HD9000 series....and when the next nm drop (14nm?)...they will start using some fancy schmancy new XXXX name?
If Sea Islands is HD9xxx, can we say it will have to be the ...biggest chip AMD build for a long time?
One or two low tier cards, maybe. But the entire range?
What does OEM mean here? The Alienwares, Cyberpower, Maingear, ROG? They are already offering 7970 options...why do they want to force a name change for the same performance? Won't AMD look silly in the face of Nvidia GK2 to bend over to OEM request...?
Who thinks AMD just wanted to start a new name line as we are reaching 9xxx and thus chose to fast forward their number game? The real Sea Islands will very likely be HD9000 series....and when the next nm drop (14nm?)...they will start using some fancy schmancy new XXXX name?
If Sea Islands is HD9xxx, can we say it will have to be the ...biggest chip AMD build for a long time?
Love_In_Rio
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Well, maybe they have the best chip ever and deserves to call 9800. R300 successor.
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UniversalTruth
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If I were an OEM, I would take it as a bad joke or humiliation, because only if they think I'm stupid they would try to foist in this stupid and unfair way old products.
If you go by Anandtech's reasoning, the rebadge is being done to benefit the OEMs.
They want a higher number to put on the box.
This isn't an emotional issue for them, and they've sold rebadged stuff before, and for multiple hardware generations.
The OEMs aren't going to get on a soapbox for the people they get to buy their product, and using the same thing with a different name might save them some validation expenses.
They want a higher number to put on the box.
This isn't an emotional issue for them, and they've sold rebadged stuff before, and for multiple hardware generations.
The OEMs aren't going to get on a soapbox for the people they get to buy their product, and using the same thing with a different name might save them some validation expenses.
At least in the past it's been the OEMs that actually request these rebrandings if there's no new product in time for their new models.
UniversalTruth
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I know the usual excuses. But when you are in position of underdog everywhere and obviously people tend to dislike you more often than like you, this is not the way to go. You have to innovate. Where is innovation? What's new?
AMD would rather go through a multimillion dollar tapeout and product ramp at a bad time in the development cycle, just so some people on web forums that wouldn't by the OEM cards will like the company better?
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