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Knack will appear on PS+ long before TLoU, Killzone or Infamous. Astonishingly, still no sign of it.
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I think any game that was included in a console bundle won't be on ps+ for a while.
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Injustice was available at the end of last year. Was fun for a couple of hours.
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Shrinking marketshare, not shrinking sales is what I'm expecting. I'm expecting the XBO to continue to match if not improve on X360 sales. Unless as I said before, Microsoft completely mucks things up. Their marketshare, however, will be far less than last gen due to...
Which basically means that I'm expecting the PS4 to do extremely well. At least double the sales performance of the PS3 by the end of the generation. Unless the generation ends early, or Sony REALLY mucks things up.
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I agree but Knack was a launch game and is almost 18 months old! Sony general don't put old games on PS+
Amazing...
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Wow, 1.7M in 2 of the slowest months of the year.
there was talk about PS4 early in the year (2015) being supply limited in parts of Europe, if true that might explain some of this....
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My guess is 299 in 2016.
Selling a psplus sub and a few games is worth the price drop if it adds gamers on the fence about price. I wonder how much that would be. Sony have not been reactive to the competiton in any way since launch. I guess the price drop will happen when they shrink the SoC?
I don't think Sony will change the price before a cost reduction of PS4.
I don't even know why this is being discussed.
It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever for Sony (or anyone else) to drop the price of a product which is selling way, way above any expectations. Playstation is the money maker for Sony and cutting price would simply impact their profit, for no reason whatsoever. It. Will. Not. Happen. Until they really need to, of course, and that will come some time in the future, but certainly not while they're outselling their competition 2:1 or more, and smashing sales records everywhere.
Case in point, and with totally arbitrary figures just to keep things simple, but let's assume that Sony's profit is $20, at a $300 price point. A fair 7% profit margin on every unit.
Unless they cut their production costs, even a $10 reduction would halve their profit, to $10. Which means that at a price point of $290 - not that different from $300 - they would need to sell double the amount of consoles to make the same profit they were making at $300. That's from just a $10 reduction.
Imagine what happens when you reduce price by much larger amounts, as is being asked for on here. Just play with the numbers and see for yourself. From $350 (at a massive and very un-Sony-like 14% profit of $50 per unit), decreasing the price to $299 burns the profit completely and they end up making a loss of $1 per unit.
Sure, Sony is in the position of making up hardware losses through software and subscription sales, but they have stated that they have no interest in getting into the loss-making hardware selling tactics that were the norm even until the last generation. And quite rightly so, it's just not the same economy anymore, they have all moved on and the market is better for it.
When they cut production costs, only then they will even consider lowering the price. And even then, they're in the position to enjoy higher profits for quite a while when they do cut costs, as the market is devouring PS4's at the current price without many complaints.
Last but not least. Sony is starving for profits and trying to get out of the huge black hole they put themselves in over many decades. That alone should convince most people.
It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever for Sony (or anyone else) to drop the price of a product which is selling way, way above any expectations. Playstation is the money maker for Sony and cutting price would simply impact their profit, for no reason whatsoever. It. Will. Not. Happen. Until they really need to, of course, and that will come some time in the future, but certainly not while they're outselling their competition 2:1 or more, and smashing sales records everywhere.
Case in point, and with totally arbitrary figures just to keep things simple, but let's assume that Sony's profit is $20, at a $300 price point. A fair 7% profit margin on every unit.
Unless they cut their production costs, even a $10 reduction would halve their profit, to $10. Which means that at a price point of $290 - not that different from $300 - they would need to sell double the amount of consoles to make the same profit they were making at $300. That's from just a $10 reduction.
Imagine what happens when you reduce price by much larger amounts, as is being asked for on here. Just play with the numbers and see for yourself. From $350 (at a massive and very un-Sony-like 14% profit of $50 per unit), decreasing the price to $299 burns the profit completely and they end up making a loss of $1 per unit.
Sure, Sony is in the position of making up hardware losses through software and subscription sales, but they have stated that they have no interest in getting into the loss-making hardware selling tactics that were the norm even until the last generation. And quite rightly so, it's just not the same economy anymore, they have all moved on and the market is better for it.
When they cut production costs, only then they will even consider lowering the price. And even then, they're in the position to enjoy higher profits for quite a while when they do cut costs, as the market is devouring PS4's at the current price without many complaints.
Last but not least. Sony is starving for profits and trying to get out of the huge black hole they put themselves in over many decades. That alone should convince most people.
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