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Sword Art Online + Morpheus seems like a no brainer in the Asian markets. But usually the obvious move never happens in time, or ever
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Sword Art Online + Morpheus seems like a no brainer in the Asian markets. But usually the obvious move never happens in time, or ever
Is that any different to Sony's partnership with Shanghai Oriental Pearl? That one includes locally sourced content as well, supposedly. BesTV and SOP are both members of the same umbrella organisation anyway, so I'm not sure if they'll serve the platforms significantly differently, other than how business leads them (may reduce investment in one platform if it doesn't take off, sort of thing, plus external investment from the platform holders).
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A poll of thousands is a very good population size to judge general interest.
How many would you be satisfied with?
In what way? It's a poll of Chinese gamers, so a self-selecting population, but the relevant one for the subject matter. I doubt it's representative of the interests of the entire population (I don't think 60% of all of China will be buying a PS4, etc.), but there's no reason to immediately doubt it represents what the gamers of China will be buying, unless it's a very selective audience associated with that website.
We can compare other online polls. IGN readers voted PS4 2:1 vs XB1, and we have something like a 2:1 worldwide sellthrough advantage to the PS4, it aligns quite nicely. Just Googled another self-selecting poll at 7:3 from 300k votes (no idea how tamper-resisdent this poll is, of course).
So factoring in a degree of inaccuracy but respecting the authenticity of the data, PS4 should see at least 2:1 sales over XB1 in China, maybe up to 5:1.
I think that's a heck of a leap to make based on a poll.
I wouldn't really have any sense of what to expect, except perhaps an idea the PS4 would be the favorite just because it has done better everywhere.
Also, you said MS has failed to attract interest in the East..is that true or just Japan? I wonder what Korea or Taiwan sales look like between Xbox and PS. I dont know, that info isn't available. I dont even really have an idea despite being a sales guru.
I have this sneaking, completely un backed, suspicion PS4 has sold poorly in Japan because Cerny was the face of it.
Not entirely, IGN is a US website and so should align more with US tastes/sales. There will be some international readership obviously, but it should sway heavily to US readership.
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I don't think Cerny has anything to do with it. I think Japan has a core fanbase that actually enjoy westen games and these are the people that bought a PS4 at launch. The PS4 actually had a good launch, but to sustain sales, you need eastern titles, in which the PS4 has virtually none.
In regards to IGN, here are my thoughts on the poll results. I think the gap between PS4/XB1 is different among core gamers vs casual gamers. Core gamers heavily favor PS4, but it's a little more even with casual gamers. IGN is one of the largest game sites and their readers are somewhat of a mix of core and casual gamers. If you look at core game sites like here or GAF, the PS4 is heavily favored.
In regards to IGN, here are my thoughts on the poll results. I think the gap between PS4/XB1 is different among core gamers vs casual gamers. Core gamers heavily favor PS4, but it's a little more even with casual gamers. IGN is one of the largest game sites and their readers are somewhat of a mix of core and casual gamers. If you look at core game sites like here or GAF, the PS4 is heavily favored.
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After the Watch_dogs marketing exclusivity, here comes Destiny. Either Sony has some incredible luck (but twice in the same year?) or someone at Sony is really good at detecting future successful new IP.
Destiny XB1 is 7th, Destiny PS4 (game) is 9th.
Amazon.com just now, the first 3 places are as usual PSN store gifts.
And the PS4 (and all accessories and most games) are again completely sold out (since a while I think) in my local biggest supermarket.
Destiny XB1 is 7th, Destiny PS4 (game) is 9th.
Amazon.com just now, the first 3 places are as usual PSN store gifts.
And the PS4 (and all accessories and most games) are again completely sold out (since a while I think) in my local biggest supermarket.
After the Watch_dogs marketing exclusivity, here comes Destiny. Either Sony has some incredible luck (but twice in the same year?) or someone at Sony is really good at detecting future successful new IP.
Destiny XB1 is 7th, Destiny PS4 (game) is 9th.
Amazon.com just now, the first 3 places are as usual PSN store gifts.
And the PS4 (and all accessories and most games) are again completely sold out (since a while I think) in my local biggest supermarket.
The Destiny bundle has stayed pretty high on Amazon's bestsellers list. This is in contrast to SpecialGuy orgasming over the short lived jump the Xbone bundles saw.
Madden bundle is a good sign, its a game that many will look to play online with friends. Online multiplayer multiplier could positively benefit XB1 if Madden has decent sales on XB1. Same goes for PS4 of course.
Actually Destiny seems to be doing relatively better on Amazon for Xbox One, given the install base discrepancy. Xbox One version has ranked ahead for several weeks now which is very rare and given the install bases has a high degree of difficulty.
I think as a FPS it may be playing more to Xbox interest. Whereas a Watch Dogs leaned to PS4. That's my going theory anyway.
It's interesting though to compare Titanfall vs Destiny. Going in I dont know you could pick a clear favorite, Respawn had as much sales chops as Bungie or more. But now it easily appears Destiny will be the much bigger seller. Although Titanfall did not do bad at all especially on limited platforms. As I noted before Titanfall probably would have sold similar to Watch Dogs if you added in Playstation sales.
Destiny just appears the much, much deeper game with more excitement around it. Hundreds of developers vs ~60.
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Sure, if you ignore the bundle, which has been ranking higher than the standalone PS4 game for the past few weeks or so, and right behind the standalone XB1 game. Considering the PS4 bundle has ranked 24, 23 and 14 in the last 3 months, I can easily see them selling well over 200k bundles by the end of September. It's too bad NPD won't include bundle sales.
Currently, the PS4 version is 5 spots ahead of XB1 in 2014. Plus I feel that many PS4 owners pre-ordered in 2013 as well, since it was added over a year ago.
edit: This shows how both SKUs ranked in 2013:
http://camelcamelcamel.com/Destiny-PlayStation-4/product/B00BGA9Y3W?context=browse
http://camelcamelcamel.com/Destiny-Xbox-One/product/B00CX9T598?context=browse
Currently, the PS4 version is 5 spots ahead of XB1 in 2014. Plus I feel that many PS4 owners pre-ordered in 2013 as well, since it was added over a year ago.
edit: This shows how both SKUs ranked in 2013:
http://camelcamelcamel.com/Destiny-PlayStation-4/product/B00BGA9Y3W?context=browse
http://camelcamelcamel.com/Destiny-Xbox-One/product/B00CX9T598?context=browse
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Hmm that's an interesting site. I was able to to track all the Xbox skus. Cod and SO bundles just kind of tanked. The Madden bundle is definitely on the rise and the normal SKU is just kind of hovering around in the 50s. I can only pull the data for the destiny ps4 bundle. That has stayed pretty solid since it was announced. The regular PS4 SKU says that they stopped tracking it. So that's weird.
The graphs are a nice touch and make it real easy to see everything.
The graphs are a nice touch and make it real easy to see everything.
Huh? That's the purpose of polls! To get usable stats. This poll places PS4 outselling XB1 6:1. My conclusion is that it might sell far less than that, possibly in the region of worldwide average, but it'll still sell more. Doesn't strike me as a 'huge leap'.
Okay. And it's selling 2:1 worldwide. And other polls rated Ps4 2:1 over XB1. And there's a poll of gamers saying they're far more interested (6:1) in PS4. From that info, you don't think 2:1 is a likely minimum? You reckon MS can get a higher, say 40% share, of the market?
As you yourself have pointed out, there are a few countries that matter, and the rest produce irrelevant numbers. Given the populations of these countries, significant interest in any console would register as significant sales a la various European countries. Neither consoles records significant interest.
Doesn't matter.
Sales are going to be so low (plus influenced by piracy etc.) as to make any ratio noise.It shows that poll results roughly align with reality. It wasn't used to show poll results exactly align. A 2:1 ratio of an internet poll matches the 2:1 worldwide difference. It's not like the poll result was 2:1 in Sony's favour but XB1 is outselling PS4 2:1 and the poll was utterly inaccurate. Now if we want to look at IGN's poll result 2:1 and take that as an inaccurate record of the US's 1.6:1 sales ratio, then apply that to this Chinese poll of 6:1... we get a lower yet significant sales ratio. Mathematically, it'd be ~ 5:1. I even went as low as 2:1 in my evaluation! I can't see much logical justification for an even lower PS4:XB1 ratio.
Currently dominated by Playstation.
Nintendo retracted their office and received a ton of flack for setting TW/HK in a different region than Japan.
Xbox reduced their support in these 3 years and enraged a lot of Taiwanese/HK fans.
This is the booth map of Taipei Game show 2014
notice the absence of Nintendo/Microsoft.
Madden bundle is cannibalizing the $399 SKU, as it should. Same console same price, one has a free game. So while Madden climbs, the $399 SKU dives (it was in the 40s, now at 59). The SO bundle is the most appealing IMO, but it sank to #126 in ten days.
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Now if only we had someone from East Asia that uses this forum that can comment...
Orangpelupa, I think we need you advice on the influence of Xbox and Playstation from your home continent.
Orangpelupa, I think we need you advice on the influence of Xbox and Playstation from your home continent.
Now if only we had someone from East Asia that uses this forum that can comment...
Orangpelupa, I think we need you advice on the influence of Xbox and Playstation from your home continent.
We have an online poll that suggest the relative interest between the 2 platforms. I think Shifty's comments and interpretation were reasonable.
That said even a grey market importer would likely struggle to give you good data about the Chinese market bc at the end of the day their data would be anecdotal.
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Oh I agree with Shifty too. Might just be interesting to hear from someone that's from that part of the world.
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