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I don't know about that, them Chinese seem pretty nationalistic
:Chinese teen runs away to stop parents purchasing a Honda
http://www.autoblog.com/2014/05/26/chinese-buyers-avoiding-japanese-cars/
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I don't know about that, them Chinese seem pretty nationalistic
:Chinese teen runs away to stop parents purchasing a Honda
http://www.autoblog.com/2014/05/26/chinese-buyers-avoiding-japanese-cars/
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In terms of the games due for release in 2015, how many of these would be permitted for release in China? Remember we're not dealing with an open markets and the Chinese Government has an extensive list of subjects matters which are taboo.
Off the top of my head I recall in 2011 that 'time travel' was added to the fist of things that couldn't be depicted in fiction and I seem to recall they've banned films like 'The Little Mermaid' because it was anti-communist. Anything game matter promoting freedom of choice of individualism could be tricky ground. Certainly nobody in China is going to see Fallout 4. Quantum Break might be in dodgy ground. On the plus side they'll probably love the Tomorrow Children unless it's too mocking.
I wonder how many games are going to fall foul of some arbitrary law and how appealing the resulting consoles will be given a watered down range of games.
Off the top of my head I recall in 2011 that 'time travel' was added to the fist of things that couldn't be depicted in fiction and I seem to recall they've banned films like 'The Little Mermaid' because it was anti-communist. Anything game matter promoting freedom of choice of individualism could be tricky ground. Certainly nobody in China is going to see Fallout 4. Quantum Break might be in dodgy ground. On the plus side they'll probably love the Tomorrow Children unless it's too mocking.
I wonder how many games are going to fall foul of some arbitrary law and how appealing the resulting consoles will be given a watered down range of games.
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Perhaps I'm being a bit harsh but it wouldn't be the first time we've had arguments rooted more in distraction than logic.
China opening up to console sales is a good thing, I just don't think anyone has good data on the size of the Chinese market bc it is largely pirated games running on bootleg OS on machines designed to look like what we have here in the west.
Even a so-called expert of the Chinese market would be hard pressed to present anything objective in terms of numbers bc again its largely black market and grey market sales which are more about the hardware and less software bc largely the games are simply pirated copies or included with the console.
Granted an XB1 would have a significant polish and quality that isn't afforded to them now but I'm not convinced it matters. CD Rom movies do ok there as do bootleg DVDs which in some cases are actually video camera recordings of actual movies in the theater, that isn't to say they don't have high quality reproductions, those are there too but in either case people aren't buying movies, CDs or games at a price point that is comparable with the West. And as such I don't think that market will do much for either company in the short run.
And besides the culture isn't used to paying for the content at the prices or the distribution channels that would benefit either platform holder.
Yeah. $600 consoles with, however much the games cost, at least $60, probably aren't exactly going to be a great fit there. I suppose only the wealthy will be able to afford them. Which still could be a significant market I suppose, I dont know.
I imagine it might be something similar to India's console market. Whatever that is, not huge.
China as a market would probably best be labeled as possible future potential, at least the platform holders are now IN the market which is a first step.
I think the censoring is actually as big a deal as the DRM, as best I can tell gamers will likely be inclined to stick to the grey market. And lets face it if you really want a PS4 or XB1 in China you can get if fairly reasonably already and the difference is the version you're buying isn't going to be restricted to censored versions of games.
I don't know about that, them Chinese seem pretty nationalistic
Chinese teen runs away to stop parents purchasing a Honda
http://www.autoblog.com/2014/05/26/chinese-buyers-avoiding-japanese-cars/
You also see tons of Toyotas on the road in China. You can find a lot of examples of people hating Japanese products but that's also balanced out by the sheer number of Japanese products that are bought there. I'm sure you'd also find people hating Apple products but they're also sold like hotcakes in China.
Success in China is definitely rooted heavily in localization, which is also the key in Hong Kong and here in Taiwan (less so in HK, but still holds). Microsoft had proved in the past 2-3 years that they will ditch the Chinese community by doing exactly that (little localization and very little support to the 360 after it didn't really take off in Japan) and that fact doesn't do well to their reputation. Sony, on the other hand, seems to provide Chinese subbed versions whenever possible and we see increasing support year by year.
Also, consoles being hard to pirate and being relatively expensive doesn't help the prospect there either.
I think there is a bit of an online multiplayer effect for both PSN and LIVE i.e. if your friends own one or the other you are more inclined to follow.
Similarly I think its entirely plausible that there is a group of 360 owners who have friends who also game on the 360 who might be waiting to see if MS can convince them to stay. How big that group is would be hard to say without an actual survey but I don't doubt some are out there.
In part that might be driving MS to release the Halo pack now, it might help get some off the fence and back into their ecosystem. I would not hazard a guess though as how big a group this might be.
Every time that's raised (US hates the Japanese, Japanese hates the US, Britain hates the Germans+French+Everybody), it's shown it doesn't make a squat of different to people's commercial interests outside of fuddy-duddys. Even if the grandparents say booo to Japanese stuff, kids will make their own minds up based on culture and coolness, the world over.
Hating the Japanese because of the war is going to be as much a cultural influence on their purchasing decisions as hating the decadent, capitalist pig of the USA.
PS2 was the most popular console in China. There's already a Sony bias in the gaming world. That doesn't mean PS4 will sell gangbusters, but it does suggest, along with the poll, that MS are not likely to gain worldwide market share via China. If anything, console sales in China will probably favour PS4. Although that really comes down to content, I expect.
I think you misread my post. In the end, we can only speculate, as there is no way of knowing (for us) who is buying these next-gen consoles en masse (and who isn't). I'm essentially on the same side, but I don't think a singular 'plausible explenation' covers all angles. The market is big and diverse - and many have different reasons for upgrading.
PS4 selling at a higher rate could for all we know, be down to the great PR they've been receiving in combination with the lower price. The US has always seemed to be more price sensitive towards new consoles - where as in Europe, we tend to pay a lot more for these things. So the $399 price advantage of the PS4 over the original price point of $499 for the Xbox might have been a bigger factor then we might give credit for. Then there's the whole point about the inclusion of Kinect and the focus on TV. This sort of stuff is probably not in line with what the most hardcore gamers wanted to see (the ones that rush out to buy new consoles when they come out).
I'm not necessarely convinced the loyal brand supporter (who make out a substantial part of early adopters) would just run out and buy the next other console on the market - not when they have invested considerably into a platform, are likely to have many friends on their friendslist and share lots of play time together. So IMO - these people either bought a Xbox One despite the ongoing negativity (and are happy with their product none-the-less) or they might be inclined to wait - wait to see what happens, how the market unfolds etc.
Essentially, as I said, I agree that there is a 'swing' - I just find the fact that Destiny sales are leading on the PS4 to be more telling than any basic sales figures showing that the PS4 is simply selling more.
We're all speculating here. Note that the above and my post mainly refers to the US market, since that's where the Xbox has been focusing its sales and where their largest/strongest market is. I've always considered Europe to be in favour of the PlayStation brand as whole, so PS4 leading sales in those territory is not a big surprise IMO. It's the US market that is interesting, because that's where the X360 has outsold the PS3 considerably and where PS4 now is leading.
Or because there's lots of home product competition. XBox, a US console, sold best in US. Did that make the US anti-Japan? No, it just meant the box designed by American's had a stronger appeal for Americans. No-one's discounting the impact of national pride being a factor either, but it's not like Samsung is dead is Japan. It just struggles against numerous rivals (including Apple).
In China, there's no Chinese equivalent of PS4 or XB1. Therefore they won't be choosing the home-grown product if they're looking for a high-end console. If there were no Japanese phones in Japan, they'd be buying more Korean.
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I was in China for six months with work over Sept 2013 through to March 2014. It seemed to me that the gaming audience in China is one that has been groomed and weaned on PC games; principally MMOs and competitive MP games (LOL, DOTA and stuff like counter strike have been huge out there).
Whilst out there I took my PS3 with me and I got a lot of interest from the young folks there who seemed really interested in the fact that I owned one. I spoke to a few of them about the consoles they knew about, and it seemed that they had a high regard for playstation as a brand, and the ones I spoke to didn't really care much about Xbox. Still however, Xbox seemed to be a lesser known brand, and given MS is a well known US-based company, the Chinese may show interest since they seem to identify western products with high quality.
It'll be interesting to see how both PS4 and XB1 do in China. But if I was a betting man, I'd put my money on PS (since PS knows eastern markets and tastes, and are able to better appeal to them).
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I wonder if that's a portend of I:SS coming to PS+ this holiday season? Makes sense as it would be a nice incentive to renew and/or join.
I don't believe I:SS will come to IGC any time soon. Stronger contenders for first "big" game offerings are Knack, NFS Rivals and Black Flag.
This very much so. MS has failed to make a big impact in Japan. Whatever properties the East value in products, MS doesn't seem to have made it with its consoles. That said. Apple have managed to turn iPhone's fortunes around in Japan, so it may be possible. But MS have zero success in that area to date, and they're not even doing to well in attracting their strongest Western market.
I don't know if the right Kinect games would do well in China. I also don't know if China-specific games will be a requirement for mainstream success. Or are the boxes just going to be priced too high to matter at all?
Very much an unknown, untested market. But with everything as it is, the expectation has to be for PS to do better than XB. It won't hurt that in making the decision, PS4 will be the more powerful machine. I can imagine conversations among gamers asking what Xbox is, and the answer being a less powerful PlayStation. Without a clear, content-focussed strategy (Xbox is the machine that plays Super Awesome Chinese Love-it Game That Everyone's Playing), it's playing second fiddle.
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Let us not forget that there's a huge VR interest in China.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/oculus-rift-sales-suspended-in-china-due-to-extrem/1100-6420930/
Oculus Rift Sales Suspended in China Due to “Extreme Reseller Purchases”
This could work in Sony's favour.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/oculus-rift-sales-suspended-in-china-due-to-extrem/1100-6420930/
Oculus Rift Sales Suspended in China Due to “Extreme Reseller Purchases”
This could work in Sony's favour.
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Supposedly games are going to in the $15-$40 range rather than the traditional prices we'd pay.
Evidently they also come bundled with 6 months of Live and Neverwinter MMPORG.
Another unknown is the "BesTV". Given they are being called out as a "partner" this sounds like this is more than just a contract manufacturer supplier status.
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I don't know about that, them Chinese seem pretty nationalistic
Chinese teen runs away to stop parents purchasing a Honda
http://www.autoblog.com/2014/05/26/chinese-buyers-avoiding-japanese-cars/
Hehe. I remember hearing Buick is actually the number one brand there or something, if I'm not mistaken. Size is a playing big factor I think.
Mainland Chinese are the nouveau riche, they want the biggest cars, and the most luxurious brands. But when it comes to gaming it's going to be more pragmatic.. basically whatever platform that they can play their mmos on the cheapest. Maybe with consoles being a little more user friendly than PCs they can generate some interest that way.
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