4K gaming and viewing review
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I expect 4K to not really be a choice. All high end sets will be naturally transition to 4k followed by mid and lower tiers.
The content might or might not be there but the TV manufacturers need to find a way to get people to cycle out their sets. I expect some impressive marketing tricks. They failed to do so with 3D so now 4K will be their next hope.
The demo reels of 4K in stores really do attract a decent audience. For now, price is an issue since it's only flagship models.
Broadcasting in 4K would be pointless. Most 1080i/720p broadcasts today are too compressed to look really good.
You may not recall but the TV manufacturers used several big sports venues over 10 years to showcase HDTV.
I recall the Barcelona Olympics featured, years before sets were on the market.
They sponsored every major soccer event -- World Cups, Uefa Euros. In the US, it wasn't just Super Bowls but when they first started broadcasting weekly games in HD. To this day, Sunday and Monday night NFL games are the most highly rated TV broadcasts.
Sports not only paid for all the sets to be upgraded in homes from analog sets, they paid for a lot of the production equipment. HD movies were probably a distant second or third.
So if they want to sell a lot of 4k sets, they have to demo sports in the best light, even if it's up scaled.
I recall the Barcelona Olympics featured, years before sets were on the market.
They sponsored every major soccer event -- World Cups, Uefa Euros. In the US, it wasn't just Super Bowls but when they first started broadcasting weekly games in HD. To this day, Sunday and Monday night NFL games are the most highly rated TV broadcasts.
Sports not only paid for all the sets to be upgraded in homes from analog sets, they paid for a lot of the production equipment. HD movies were probably a distant second or third.
So if they want to sell a lot of 4k sets, they have to demo sports in the best light, even if it's up scaled.
Yeah I'm wondering about that myself. 1080p on Directv doesn't look anywhere near as good as a bluray at 1080p, so I don't understand the point of over compressed bitrate starved 4k which would be what the providers would have to supply given that all the set top boxes out there are stuck at h264 and can't take advantage of h265 without swapping everyone's boxes..
Much of the sports shown here in the USA at least is actually at 720p, so it's tough to see how they will be able to impress people with 4k displays showing 720p espn.
The local cable companies don't even use H.264 on their HD signals. In Cleveland they're just barely getting to using H.264 on some of the SDV (Switched-Digital-Video) channels. There's less than 20 channels that are SDV only in Cleveland for Cox Communications. However, the difference between non-h.264-HD and h.264-HD channel streams is very noticable to me, especially on high-speed or motion-heavy scenes.
The problem with showing sports is that the motion resolution is shit and makes sports look meh on the set. Unless they want to do demo slomo's and zoom in's. I guess that's an option.
Played around with more settings and such but not much has changed from initial impressions. I went and looked at the X900 and the glossy screen in a reflection haven. It'd really affect my day time viewing esp as we re arrange the living room in the coming month.
CES is my next hope. I'd go with a Panny plasma but Panny's tend to have too much dithering for me. I like the Samsung F8500 actually. If they can out with another TV just like but with ZT/Kuro or lower black levels, I might be game.
OLED looks like it's still about 2016ish realistically.
Played around with more settings and such but not much has changed from initial impressions. I went and looked at the X900 and the glossy screen in a reflection haven. It'd really affect my day time viewing esp as we re arrange the living room in the coming month.
CES is my next hope. I'd go with a Panny plasma but Panny's tend to have too much dithering for me. I like the Samsung F8500 actually. If they can out with another TV just like but with ZT/Kuro or lower black levels, I might be game.
OLED looks like it's still about 2016ish realistically.
Graham,
I gave clear a shot with these settings watching Pacific Rim on bluray (WTF DID I JUST WATCH!?) and motion resolution was much better. Still nowhere near 4k but much better than the couple of hundred lines with motionflow off.
There are the settings I used for PQ btw: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1473062/o...-xbr-65x900a-owners-thread/1680#post_23738351
I gave clear a shot with these settings watching Pacific Rim on bluray (WTF DID I JUST WATCH!?) and motion resolution was much better. Still nowhere near 4k but much better than the couple of hundred lines with motionflow off.
There are the settings I used for PQ btw: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1473062/o...-xbr-65x900a-owners-thread/1680#post_23738351
tongue_of_colicab
Veteran
It's immune to emp because it's nuclear!!!!!1
It's analog!
FWIW, I still suspect that the upscaling will be very subtle during fast motion. Less image data (compression kicking in and natural motion blur) will likely limit what the algorithm can do - especially if it does some kind of temporal refinement (which it probably does). Maybe try pausing during fast motion and see what the still frame looks like.
It probably doesn't help you are coming from one of the best TVs of all time too
I'll be getting my TV tomorrow, however I won't have it set up till sometime next week. I'll probably give it a good 24-48 hours of break-in too.
Cheerio.
Chinese are buying up cheap 4K TVs, pushing prices lower, even though there isn't native 4K content:
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304361604579292630876600834
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304361604579292630876600834
It probably doesn't help you are coming from one of the best TVs of all time too
LOL. This.
DuckThor Evil
Legend
Damn, that is short throw! Bet that thing costs a bit though...
DuckThor Evil
Legend
Yeah that setup must be really expensive, but most of the time something more reasonable isn't too far behind. That setup would be absolutely amazing though 
That looks absolutely beautiful. Would look amazing in place of my unit and 55" plasma! Time to save up!
The specs are odd, computer input only supports 1920x1080. So the device most capable of creating 4k content can only be displayed at 1080. Weak
DuckThor Evil
Legend
The specs are odd, computer input only supports 1920x1080. So the device most capable of creating 4k content can only be displayed at 1080. Weak
Nah that's how manufacturers often show that for some reason. "The PC-input" is most likely an old VGA-input" The HDMIs will most certainly be 2.0 version and supporting 4K 60Hz on PCs as well.