4k BluRay is a bad idea. We need something better. *spawn

[tuna]

And of course like I said , Bluray 4k will be steam rolled by all the media boxes supporting 8k tv formats as soon as that hits

The only filmed media that will benefit from 8K is things filmed in IMAX.

 

[tuna]

A server infrastructure to serve 50+ MBit/s video to tens, hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of people would become unviably expensive. Your Netflix sub would end up costing maybe a hundred bucks a month. Too niche to be commercially viable.

To serve one 4K high bitrate stream costs the same as 4 1080p streams at current Netflix compression. And the biggest expense for Netflix isn't the server/internet costs.

 

[eastmen]

The only filmed media that will benefit from 8K is things filmed in IMAX.

That isn't really true. 35mm film is equal to about 3 to 12m pixels. 4k is only 3840x2160 or 8,294,400 pixels. 8k is supposed to be 7680x4320 or 33.2 megapixels. So depending on the print and equipment used you will get a benfit from moving from 4k to 8k with some movies. 65/70mm films have existed for over a hundred years and they will offer much more heck you can see 70mm prints of star wars if you want. Its a little disingenuous to say the only thing that will benefit from 8k is stuff filmed in imax when imax is just a brand name of something that has been used since the late 1800s

Red already has camera's capable of recording in that format

A lot of films were already scanned at 8k like Lawrence of Arabia which is a 70mm film from 1962


Also you have a lot of tv content being filmed in 8k already. The woman's world cup was broadcasted in Canada at 8k . This years yankee games and the super bowl will also get shot in 8k.

 

[Grall]

To serve one 4K high bitrate stream costs the same as 4 1080p streams at current Netflix compression.

4 streams? I WISH netflix would stream 1080P at 12+ Mbit/s, but the hell they do.

Premise was specifically 50Mbit/s bitrate - which is like what, 8x more than the average netflix HD stream? If the company was to beef up their server infrastructure/outgoing pipes ~8x over current level you can be fairly certain the costs would make quite the impact on their operational budget.

 

[tuna]

If the company was to beef up their server infrastructure/outgoing pipes ~8x over current level you can be fairly certain the costs would make quite the impact on their operational budget.

Yes, but not so it would make the monthly subscription 10 times as high. Also, ALL content does not have to be streamed in 50 + Mb/s, only the applicable stuff for a subset of customers that pay for it.

 

[tuna]

65/70mm films have existed for over a hundred years and they will offer much more heck you can see 70mm prints of star wars if you want.

Star wars was filmed in 35 mm. The 70 mm prints where created for special theaters. A 70 mm copy looks better than a 35 mm copy due to various reasons. I can expand on that if you want.

 

[tuna]

Also, movies filmed in 70 mm and other large frame formats would benefit from 8K (over 4K). Those are pretty few and 35 mm movies have been mastered in 4K even for the most prestigious and lucrative movies such as Jaws.

 

[tuna]

Also, even at 2K you can see the higher resolution of larger frame analog film. Watch the Dark Knight Rises BD and compare the IMAX and 35 mm scenes.

 

[eastmen]

Tuna you will still get an advantage with the larger resolution when using a 70mm print. Like I said 8k will quickly replace 4k. Bluray 4k will be stuck at 4k. A lot of older content may show no gains in the movement but there is still a lot of content that can see increases in quality and of course we are already filming stuff in 8k today so there will be plenty of new 8k resolution content. Not to mention that stuff like 3D could make a comeback since you'd have a lot more resolution to play with.

 

[London Geezer]

8k?

So 4k is too 'obsolete' now and we better wait for it to be supplanted by 8k which will be even more niche than 4k already is?

The people have spoken. The people do not care.

The same limitations and 'pieced together by shoestring' nature of things will carry over to 8k content too. Like everything else in the history of consumer electronics for the masses.

 

[tuna]

Tuna you will still get an advantage with the larger resolution when using a 70mm print.

I have no idea what you mean here.

 

[eastmen]

I have no idea what you mean here.

you'll see an advantage with 8k by using a 70mm print.

 

[tuna]

A lot of older content may show no gains in the movement but there is still a lot of content that can see increases in quality and of course we are already filming stuff in 8k today so there will be plenty of new 8k resolution content. Not to mention that stuff like 3D could make a comeback since you'd have a lot more resolution to play with.

According to IMDB even movies like Avengers: Age of Ultron were made in 2K. It was filmed in 3.4K but all digital effects, compositing etc was made in 2K. I think that is the case for most movies today.

 

[tuna]

you'll see an advantage with 8k by using a 70mm print.

How? Making a 70 mm print from the 35 mm master and then digitizing that in 8K?

 

[eastmen]

How? Making a 70 mm print from the 35 mm master and then digitizing that in 8K?

a lot of movies were originaly on 70mm.

Hatefull 8 is going to be shot on 70mm ultra Panavision so it will look fantastic at 8k resolution

 

[cheapchips]

It'll be interesting to see where 4k/8k is noticable. Will it even make much difference on a 100cm screen?

I suppose with Samsung's 11k 6" screen debuting in 2018 we'd be able to play it to a virtual IMAX screen. Which would be nice.

I think I'm about done with physical media for films. It would be nice if there was a downloadable format that really felt like yours. The movie equivalent of GoG is never going to happen though.

 

[tuna]

a lot of movies were originaly on 70mm.

Hatefull 8 is going to be shot on 70mm ultra Panavision so it will look fantastic at 8k resolution

So will 2001, Lawrence of Arabia The Dark Rises and some other movies. It has no relevance to what you wrote above.

 

[eastmen]

It'll be interesting to see where 4k/8k is noticable. Will it even make much difference on a 100cm screen?

I suppose with Samsung's 11k 6" screen debuting in 2018 we'd be able to play it to a virtual IMAX screen. Which would be nice.

I think I'm about done with physical media for films. It would be nice if there was a downloadable format that really felt like yours. The movie equivalent of GoG is never going to happen though.

larger screens keep getting cheaper. I don't think a 100 inch sceens for low prices is out of the question