ShadowWolf64
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LOL.. you so crazy...For a racing game like Forza 3, 60 fps is a necessar must.30 fps is fine for shooters but not for a racing game in my humble opinion.
[360] Forza Motorsport 3
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LOL.. you so crazy...For a racing game like Forza 3, 60 fps is a necessar must.30 fps is fine for shooters but not for a racing game in my humble opinion.
I quite enjoyed PGR4 which was 30fps and it was pefectly playable too. NFSS is also 30fps and many people seem to like it.
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PGR4 seemed faster than the 30 fps it ran at, due to it's heavy use of motion blur (which was a good move on Turn 10's part.
IMO thats the best arguement for lowering down to 30fps.
Also, whats the point of running physics at 120fps when youre not going for a sim feel like GTR2 or Live for Speed? (unless theirs an option in the final game for the handling)
FM3 physic is 360Hz…
It's a matter of what gets calculated over a distance covered in one second; it's about getting the information and then calculating.
Would the extra couple of tiles needed be that bad
If they're using FP10 or some other HDR 32bpp method, that's an extra tile. If it's FP16, that's two more tiles @ 720p... hum...
I don't know if they use fp16, do any games really use that? We had messed with it a long time ago but found it too slow to be of use on both platforms, and it didn't seem needed on 360 when you have fp10. The hit going from two tiles to three tiles isn't as bad as it would seem. I think the docs had showed the vert load to be typically 1.4x with two tiles, and 1.6x with three tiles, or somewhere thereabouts. With an extra 16ms to play with, it would make 4xmsaa real easy to add.
Arwin said:
Good god, I just saw this. Ok, I guess I really am a noob at this game, it's taking me longer than that with faster cars
If you drive at 300 km\h you move 83 metres per second. At 360hz you are updating movement every 0,23 metres. If you update at say 30hz, your only going to update physics every 2,7 metres or for 60hz, 1,4metres.
Now obviously, a lot can happend in those 1,4 metres that would impact your handling\steering\speed\whatever. You need fast updates to get a meaningful working physics model
Here's a question ... if you're doing physics simulation at 360Hz, is it necessary to have more than 30fps if user input is polling at something like 60Hz or higher? Are there any games like that?
I definitely am a big fan of 60fps, but isn't user input normally tied to frame rate?
I definitely am a big fan of 60fps, but isn't user input normally tied to frame rate?
Silent_Buddha
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Input can be taken faster than your displayed framerate, but it's not entirely useful if you don't see the results of your actions when you do them. While not technically input lag in this case, I generally tend to lump it all together as the perception is that your input is lagging since you can't see the results of your actions until multiple frames later.
In games requiring fast, precise controls (racing/FPS) that can be killer. Personally I'm fine (even in pro comp. back when I was younger) with 30 fps display and 30-60 hz input. More FPS is nice, but I was never at a disadvantage when competing professionally at 30 fps compared to some opponents at 60 fps as long as my input lag (or perceived input lag) was close to zero.
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Lol
Interestingly, I was playing my GT5
demo today and it doesn't have gear shift animations for the cockpit view, either. Has that been changed for GT5?